Unca Harlan's Art Deco Dining Pavilion

Discussion of the man and his work.

Welcome to the Art Deco Dining Pavilion! Here's the deal. This is Harlan's little breakfast nook at Webderland. When he's not here, we chat about him and his work. When he is, we act like we're guests in his home. That's about all there is to it. (link to More specific rules) Oh, and since the nook doesn't exactly hold a crowd (and to prevent the less frequent voices from being drowned out), please limit yourself to one post a day unless Harlan asks you a direct question. The Pavilion Annex is available if you're the logorrheic type. Also, we have archives of old posts. RSS Feed

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- Wednesday, February 6 2019 23:50:7

Kinetic Typography
This was cute. Someone on YouTube put up this video in 2012 and wrote, "This was an assignment for my 2D Animation II class wherein we had to create a kinetic typography video using any audio clip we chose, so long as it was at least a minute long and showed a good sense of timing." I wish he/she had done the whole clip, but I like how he handled the visuals, particularly the stuttering parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin_W1hsOwI

There, now, was that innocuous enough?

That Guy (in the painting)
- Tuesday, February 5 2019 18:18:9

I can see the whole room!

Janet Gamache
Victoria, BC - Saturday, February 2 2019 20:19:33

"there's a kind of joy in them
...a kind of purity"
--Harlan Ellison

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Mr Chuck Messer,

Thank you for deciding to stay.
You would be missed.


Janet Gamache
Victoria, BC - Saturday, February 2 2019 20:15:12

"there's a kind of joy in them
...a kind of purity“
--Harlan Ellison

to like

Mr Chuck Messer,

Thank you for deciding to stay.
You would be missed.


Keeney <rickwkeeney@gmail.com>
Iceasscoldmotherfuckingminneapolis, MN - Friday, February 1 2019 15:20:53

Sandra O'Dell

At the email addy provided, please ping me. If you would.

Warm Regards,

Errbody else, go meme yourselves. Yes, You.

- Thursday, January 31 2019 9:27:47


There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio,
Than are memed of in your philosophy.

- Thursday, January 31 2019 7:44:34

Meme is a verb now? When did that happen??

/"Things that make you go 'hmm?'"

- Wednesday, January 30 2019 19:44:18

The 2019 Polar Vortex...
...and Harlan Ellison's "Base".

- Wednesday, January 30 2019 18:10:23


Your walls of text are Exhibit A as to why the Left can't meme.

- Wednesday, January 30 2019 12:31:23

Trying to invoke conversations here...
It seems like nobody can say anything here any more, without someone taking offense to it. It's one thing to OPPOSE a given type of view and to state your opposition with a certain amount of detachment and dignity. There's nothing wrong with expressing the old essay-style format of "why I think you're wrong" in one's writing--but mocking, insulting, and and claiming a paranoid delusion that "you are shoehorning some mention or other of Harlan into your posts just so you can then pivot and take a shot at me" is not how to go about it.

Using the word "Chairman," and twisting Marci's words to make it all about you, is taking it back over the line of disrespect. There is nothing mature in that. There is nothing in that statement that makes the writer of them a better person. Isn't that what we all strive to be? If not, perhaps it's time for a self-reassessment. Anyone who comes to such an obscure part of the internet specifically to seek out a victim is more criminal than colleague. So it begs the question: do you wish to be among people, or set yourself separate from them?

Article after article comes out, and what happens? It's the same message: WRITE EVERY DAY. There's no escaping that reality!

- Monday, January 28 2019 20:24:13

The 2019 Arctic Vortex...
...and Harlan Ellison's "Soft Monkey".

- Sunday, January 27 2019 17:47:46

Chairman Marci

I am getting the weirdest feeling that you are shoehorning some mention or other of Harlan into your posts just so you can then pivot and take a shot at me.

Marci Kesserich <marcimdkiser@gmail.com>
Asheville, NC - Sunday, January 27 2019 17:11:52

Voices Across the Great Divide
In the vein of my previous post, this audiobook of Harlan's 'City on the Edge of Forever' is available with an Audible trial, and is an absolute delight. I've listened to Harlan read a lot lately - the difference between a young manic Harlan reading "Repent Harlequin" and the older, more sanguine mythsmith who reads "Grail" is truly striking.



Kenneth, of your last 10 posts, exactly 1 even mentions Harlan's name. So spare us this pretense that your addle-pated nonsense is in tribute to him.

And in that vein: my god, the ego. As if Harlan or anyone else ever gave a damn whether they had your "respect", grudging or otherwise.

Arugula & Bok Choy
- Sunday, January 27 2019 16:47:18

The Pavilion's Old Boys Club
We are still watching The Entity's attempt to wrest control. We see a disrespect and a bullying of women and newcomers here. An underwear "wedgie" administration practice, one might say, and uninformed opinions openly described as facts.

If you read the names of the individuals connected toThe Harlan Ellison Books Preservation Project, they are the true supporters of our esteemed host's legacy. Newcomers to this area are advised to connect to HarlanEllisonBooks.com.

Chuck Messer
- Saturday, January 26 2019 7:52:23

Kenneth: Understood. There are times when you have irritated me mightily, but it doesn't prevent me from wishing you well. I hope your healing continues apace.

Robert: Thanks. I did give up on this place, but I decided to give it another chance. I told Steve Barber that I'd be nice...until it's time not to be nice. (What movie was that from?)

Argon: I stand corrected. Pardon my typo, I meant to write Sunny D.


Kenneth Stevens <stevens.kenneth@gmail.com>
Knoxville, Tennessee - Friday, January 25 2019 22:6:37

Chuck Messer

The situation (I almost wrote "problem" there, but as a very smart man once said, if there is no solution then there is no problem) is that some are grimly determined to exploit Harlan's legacy to score petty political points, the way families so often tear themselves apart by squabbling over quite small sums of money after a relative dies--"Aunt Edna loved me best!"

Of course, this lot that would have been the first to denounce Harlan in the most savage terms had his political views had been other than what they were, his talent and honesty and courage be damned. Lingering about them is a faint but unmistakable whiff of bad faith.

Others among us, however, value Harlan's body of work and his force of character even though we disagreed with him, sometimes strongly, on a great many things. In the end, I wonder, is there any form of admiration truer and more lasting than grudging admiration?

Robert Nason <nightwriterblue82@gmail.com>
Whitestone, NY - Friday, January 25 2019 16:18:32

Please excuse the typos in my post below. I hit the send button before adequately proofreading it.

Robert A Nason <nightwriterblue82@gmail.com>
Whitestone, NY - Friday, January 25 2019 14:26:0

Chuck Messer has always a voice of reason, someone who, as he pointed out, has been on this site longer than most of us, and who unfailingly comments that are interesting, substantive, witty and civil. I urge all Pavilion members to give careful consideration to what he says. If this site loses Chuck, it will be a more impoverished place.

- Friday, January 25 2019 7:12:29

Sunny Jim?? Term of address equivalent to sonny, not very respectful, but could be used in a friendly rather than disdainful way. I'll assume you meant that in a friendly way, since only a idiot insults a stranger you simply disagree with. Oh, and desecration is a physical act, and Harlan never wanted this to be only his _memorial_ after he was gone.

Chuck Messer
- Friday, January 25 2019 6:31:23

I’ve been a Webderland member since back when it was a simple yellow text on black bulletin board. Harlan had the old board shut down and this one set up because he was fed up with the rude behavior of some of the posters. That’s why the rules above were instituted in the first place, so that people could take part in spirited but civilized discourse. Otherwise, everything devolves into variations of “I know you are, but what am I?” It’s tiresome and it stinks up the place. People who otherwise would post here would be drowned out by others suffering from severe diarrhea of the keyboard, or who think kindergarten level mocking of someone’s post is the height of wit.

All we ask is that you show some GODDAMN RESPECT for Harlan’s wishes, his memory and for the others who’ve been here a lot longer than you. If you are incapable of doing that, then this is not the venue for you. Please find another place, one where everyone behaves like angry, poo-flinging monkeys.

Otherwise, there’s no point in having this place at all.

Oh, and “Argon”? You CAN desecrate a grave or a memorial, a place of remembrance. And I really wouldn’t recommend crossing brains with Marci. Trust me, you are seriously outmatched, Sunny Jim.


- Thursday, January 24 2019 17:59:1

To desecrate means to treat a sacred place or thing with violent disrespect. To apply it to this site is maudlinism of the inane.

Marci Kesserich <drmarcikiser@gmail.com>
Atlanta, GA - Thursday, January 24 2019 11:31:59

City on the Edge of Forever
Only $2 for the e-book of Harlan's 'City on the Edge of Forever' book at Amazon right now.


Utterly unsurprised to see the angry MAGA shut-ins desecrating a space formerly occupied by Harlan's friends and a family, who have since departed in respectful silence to grieve.

Just Sayin'
- Thursday, January 24 2019 9:24:4

That was never 24 hours ....

Simply expounding on your previous misdirected comments doesn't explain why you think this group needs your overblown "moralizing".

Neither does quoting Harlan -- at second hand, yet.

Simon LaFarge
- Wednesday, January 23 2019 22:18:55

The Manbaby

Actually, The Prez is not orange all over, partly due to tanning bed goggles.

- Wednesday, January 23 2019 17:4:45

My, my... are we upset?
"Bix's cardinal sin is his prolixity. He could simply have written WHITE KIDS BAD, ORANGE MAN BAD, SHEMALES GOOD and saved all concerned a great deal of time." Wow, tThat's a nice but fairly sad attempt at simplifying/summarizing my words. No, "white kids" are not BAD (they were under-supervised, under-guided and misguided in the "stand your ground" aspect, yes, but they are not "bad" or "evil" by nature), "orange man bad" (well, yea, ya got me there--he is "bad" by nature, as Trump and his lawyers keep getting caught in lie after lie, over 8,000 misleading truths or outright lies in two years, so you do the math). As for "shemales good"? ANYONE willing to serve this country is "good," not just "shemales"; again, if you don't approve of transgenders, where are all those young, healthy male U.S. patriots to take over, then? Plus, I've seen plenty of men and women who don't identify as transgender but would qualify as "shemales" in your book, so what bothers you about transgenders? Is it the official identifying and surgery, or just dressing up as the opposite gender?

As for my point in coming here, it comes down to that starting word: MORAL. There is nothing moral about the treatment of transgender troops, and for the reasons that I listed.

Want something "Harlan" to make you feel better? "— from The Graceful Lie: A Method for Making Fiction by Michael Petracca

"You create your own Heaven, and you have the opportunity to live in it, but you have to do it on your own terms, the highest terms of which you are capable. So sail this ship through the straits, navigate the shoals, find the island, overcome the foam-devil that guards the girl, win her love, and you’ve played the game on your own terms."
— from "Delusion for a Dragon Slayer," collected in I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream: Stories

"I don't know how you perceive my mission as a writer, but for me it is not a responsibility to reaffirm your concretized myths and provincial prejudices. It is not my job to lull you with a false sense of the rightness of the universe." In other words, I'm not going to sit back and be silent on an issue where religious morality is trying to impose upon social morality.

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