Unca Harlan's Art Deco Dining Pavilion

Discussion of the man and his work.

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Chuck Messer
- Tuesday, June 12 2018 20:16:29

Alex: The world is one big, spherical loony bin. I've had my say, and will continue the "discussion" no longer.


Chuck


Alex
- Tuesday, June 12 2018 19:32:34

Has the whole world gone batshit crazy?
Could we all just put our hands in our laps and not type crazy shit for a little while?


Derwood, Darwin's younger cousin
- Tuesday, June 12 2018 18:40:59

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and...
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes...it isn't all about you, Kenneth Stevens.

Further insight into your lack of insight.


Kenneth Stevens <stevens.kenneth@gmail.com>
Knoxville, Tennessee - Tuesday, June 12 2018 14:23:49

Empathy and virtue-signalling

If I said I empathized with Ray Rice for punching out his fiance on an elevator because he was sick of her shit, then you'd say I was a sociopath.

If I said I empathized with Nikolas Cruz for shooting up a high school full of opportunistic assholes because they had tormented him for half his life, then you'd say I was a sociopath.

If I said I empathized with terrorists who crash planes into skyscrapers because they don't have any other way of striking back back at America for turning the Middle East into a parking lot on behalf of Israel, then you'd say I was a sociopath.

Ah, but when I say I don't empathize in the slightest with a multimillionaire who's not only banging Asia Argento but also has a son he should be taking care of because he's so self-absorbed he can't manage to think of anything better to do than hang himself from a hotel doorknob, then you say I'm a sociopath.

Virtue-signalling is a helluva drug.


Marvelous Marvin
- Tuesday, June 12 2018 10:51:20

Woody Jie

STFU, ya jabberin’ voidoid


alan
largo, fl. - Tuesday, June 12 2018 6:38:15

Sad,sad man...
Robert Deniro, last two movies failed by even minimal revenue expectations. Would I try gutter swiping as the light dims as well? No! I would not.


Joe Woods
- Tuesday, June 12 2018 4:56:35

Fuck You Chuck
Here's my full name, Chucky. Anytime you want to meet up face to face just name the time and place.


BD
- Monday, June 11 2018 16:39:44

clarification
Below post is in earnest, no sarcasm. I had entitled the post "I post therefore I am," yet I clicked it away by accident.


Bruce D.
- Monday, June 11 2018 16:28:12


Bravo, Chuck.

As in the old land line telephone days, some of us have not gotten over looking up our own names in the white pages phone book.


Chuck Messer
- Monday, June 11 2018 15:9:48

Sterling examples!

Ironic, JW:
Excellent! Thanks for providing such sterling examples of the kind of chickenshit, passive-aggressive behavior the rules were intended to at least alleviate on this forum. The raison d'etre for my posting those rules where all could see, since a small minority couldn't be bothered to click on the link. And you did such a fine imitation of a strutting pigeon that just shit on the chess board. Well done!

And, since the rules were simply transferred from one location of this web site to another, I doubt any copyright violation occurred. Of course, if I'm wrong, the webmaster can feel free to remove my post and chastise me in the appropriate manner.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, it's time for me to feed my phizzog.

Excelsior!

Chuck


Steve Barr
Kansas City, Missouri - Monday, June 11 2018 7:23:29

United States
Right On Chuck! Thanks for (trying) to keep us on course.

–Steve


E. Kang
- Monday, June 11 2018 1:57:29

Research On The Origins of Suicidal Brains
- Scientific American

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-origins-of-suicidal-brains/


David Loftus <loftuscoosbay (at) GEE MAIL>
Portland, OR - Sunday, June 10 2018 14:29:35

Doing away with the world via oneself
I see various parties are presuming to speak for everyone, as so often happens. I am not a depressive in any sense; I feel down at times, and I tell people I'm depressed, but I'm nearly always pretty confident it will pass. Sometimes the proximate reasons seem obvious to me, sometimes not, but I don't let myself worry about it much. I don't believe I've ever been seriously suicidal, but I think about it -- stress on both "think" and "about" rather than "of."

I think there are multiple reasons and causes that can humans lead to suicide. Speculation about evolutionary factors seems as pointless and unverifiable to me as speculation about whatever we might all have in common. One of the startling things about humans, it seems to me, is that we can -- by force of will -- overcome just about any instinct that's supposedly driven by genetic programming, from self-preservation to reproduction.

I have gone on record, multiple times, as saying my life might end by suicide for perfectly rational and sensible motivations, if I can manage the will and the means. Basically, that's covered here:

http://americancurrents.blogspot.com/2017/01/where-i-am-how-i-see-it.html


Of late, I've found it useful to raise suicide as the only real use for a firearm in the highly unlikely event of a massive catastrophe or "government tyranny," and when gun owners expressed outrage and horror, I figured they hadn't thought the matter through. Here's my argument with regard to that:

http://americancurrents.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-folly-of-guns-versus-government.html

But for most other people, especially celebrity suicides, I have no comment. I try not to pass judgment because I suspect the level of choice involved is very different from the scenarios I am capable of imagining or understanding.


JW
- Sunday, June 10 2018 13:35:36

Do not copy stuff here
Unless Chuck copies the rules.




Derwood, Darwin's younger cousin
- Saturday, June 9 2018 17:30:44

Evolution vs survival, as regards depression
I'm fairly certain that evolution has brought the human mind -- at least in half the number of our species -- to a point where survival is NOT the imperative it once was. And, therefore, more fellow humans -- more than exist in the philosophy of Kenneth Stevens, at least -- have contemplated suicide.

Sometimes for the merest second, or nanosecond.
I here-tell, even Harlan Ellison once contemplated the question, "To be or not to be."

The notion that the majority of humans never think such thoughts is not only ignorant, it is -- in these enlightened times -- a bit of intellectual de-evolution. Granted, if the majority of humans were of the mindset that embodies, say, the Tea Party members or the Christian Colalition or those who voted for Trump, then...THEN the belief that "to most people suicide is an utterly alien notion" would be correct.

But most humans don't think guns are our best friends, universal healthcare is a bad idea, sexuality is a two-tone colour palette, skin-color is a sign of innate violence or intelligence or beauty, and so on. Mainly because the human mind -- the depth and breadth of our knowledge -- has evolved.

(Unfortunately, even that bit of evolution has stopped a majority of us from still embracing -- and fighting over -- stupid, supernatural beings and beliefs and such, but what the hell. Progress takes time. Here's hoping we mostly hairless apes have enough of that to eventually grow-up and save ourselves).


Francis F. Scott Church
- Saturday, June 9 2018 11:27:16

Kenneth, thine nut is split four ways.

Top a sundae or bottom a poplar chest with creaky drawers and stay under the downy underwear pile.


Ironic
- Saturday, June 9 2018 7:35:4

Chuck

Are "The Rules" NOT copyighted, then?


Chuck Messer
- Saturday, June 9 2018 6:13:39

The Rules

“This is Harlan's little breakfast nook at Webderland. When he's not here, we chat about him and his work. When he is, we act like we're guests in his home. That's about all there is to it. Oh, and since the nook doesn't exactly hold a crowd (and to prevent the less frequent voices from being drowned out), please limit yourself to one post a day unless Harlan asks you a direct question.”

Rules for the Art Deco Dining Pavilion: Discussion of the man and his work.
"As the main Pavilion page says: Here's the deal. This is Harlan's little breakfast nook at Webderland. When he's not here, we chat about him and his work. When he is, we act like we're guests in his home. That's about all there is to it. What does this mean? Well...

One post per day per person. This includes any aliases or alternate personalities. The intent is to give the less frequent posters and new people room to be heard, so try to wait as close as possible to 24 hours before posting again. Please do not try to be clever and post late at night then early in the morning, then say "but it was different DAYS!" The ONLY exception is if YOU, specifically, are asked a DIRECT question from Harlan, or are given explicit permission for a double post. Followups to accidental sends or typos are frowned upon but grudgingly accepted - as long as they IMMEDIATELY follow the original post (no noticing it ten minutes later then posting a correction).

Do not copy stuff here. If you found something cute or interesting that is relevant to Harlan or an ongoing board topic, either post a link or tell us where to find it. Don't copy it in here. Quotes of a paragraph or less (a few lines) of non-copyrighted material are fine, just don't try to push the envelope. Do not under any circumstances post anything without referencing the original offer, and NEVER post copyrighted material here except with explicit permission from myself or Harlan.

No Anonymous Abuse. Anonymity is allowed on this board to encourage those who are shy, who want to voice a possibly unpopular opinion, or who might otherwise fear to speak out. However, it is not to be used a shield. If you post anonymously (without a real name or without a real e-mail address) and are abusive, insulting, or otherwise violate the spirit of being a guest in someone else's home, your post will be deleted. If you persist, you will be banned.

No Threatening Behavior Credible physical threats are a no-no. If you can't get mad at someone here without telling them you are going to knock their teeth in or leave dog crap on their doorstep, go somewhere else. This sort of thing, or any other real-world threat such as invading someone's privacy or threatening to call them or show up at their home, is grounds for immediate banning. Of course, there will always be a certain amount of give and take on this board and a bit of joking or facetious material of this type is expected. But you better make sure it's ABUNDANTLY CLEAR you are not serious. If you think it may not be clear, just don't risk it - and don't think I'm stupid enough to fall for the "ha, ha, I'm just joking" bit when the subtext is that maybe you're not.

Don't try to get cute with these rules. If you find a loophole in these rules and try to get clever with it, bear in mind I tend to get about twice as mad at this as if you'd just broken the rule in the first place. Also, if you think what you have to say, or the correction you want to make, important enough to break one of the rules, think again. The last twenty or thirty times someone thought this, they were wrong.

If you do not follow these rules, you are subject to your post being modified or deleted. If you included an e-mail address, I will usually send it back to you with a brief explanation. Frequent or chronic abusers of the rules are subject to being banned from the board for as long as I feel is necessary."

You guys can read, right? If you want to put on a shit show, please do so in a chat room that no doubt resembles a room full of angry, poo-flinging monkeys.

Chuck


E. Kang
- Saturday, June 9 2018 0:19:26

Kenneth Stevens:

If you just likened the pathological state of being a Trumpanzee to suicidal depression - hey! - you got all my heart-felt sympathies!

Empathy overfloweth.


Hmm....
- Friday, June 8 2018 19:49:2


"Frank": What do you mean "possible"? All the reports I heard declared it was one, though without much detail.

Kenneth: I don't think "Frank" was relating to the suicide aspect, but to something else Mr. Bourdain (whoever he was)* had done to get his attention. So the other was unexpected and disheartening. Your taking him to task for that seems ... tone deaf(?).


*Yeah, I know -- "television personality" blah, blah, blah.


W. Kang
- Friday, June 8 2018 18:17:42

E. Kang
Says the poster who can't even manage to empathize with those who vote for candidates he doesn't support. You'll have to try harder than that if you want to preen morally.


E. Kang
- Friday, June 8 2018 16:49:31

You don't have to NOT value life in order to empathize. That's what separates the humanists from the sociopaths. And, in fact, just because YOU can't relate to suicidal ideation, many people DO.

So much for the informed, literate contingent here.


Kenneth Stevens <stevens.kenneth@gmail.com>
Knoxville, - Friday, June 8 2018 16:43:42

Frank
You are awfully invested in the notion that we are all just alike from the neck up. No doubt it comforts you to think this.

But to most people suicide is an utterly alien notion. Indeed, some of us would do anything to survive. I once knew an old man who, as a young soldier, had been captured by the Japanese when the Philipines fell. He ended up in the hellishly hot and overcrowded hold of a transport, along with over a thousand other POWs. The death toll was horrific. He was maddened with thirst, and when he saw that a fellow prisoner who had died still had on a wedding ring, he realized that he could use it to buy water from one of their Korean guards, who fortunately were as greedy as they were brutal. But he found that the corpse had swollen too much to get it off the usual way. Having no sharp objects, he ended up chewing the finger off.

I draw no moral from this anecdote. All I can say is that one billion years of evolution have made most of us value life.





Kenneth Stevens <stevens.kenneth@gmail.com>
Knoxville, - Friday, June 8 2018 16:43:41

Frank
You are awfully invested in the notion that we are all just alike from the neck up. No doubt it comforts you to think this.

But to most people suicide is an utterly alien notion. Indeed, some of us would do anything to survive. I once knew an old man who, as a young soldier, had been captured by the Japanese when the Philipines fell. He ended up in the hellishly hot and overcrowded hold of a transport, along with over a thousand other POWs. The death toll was horrific. He was maddened with thirst, and when he saw that a fellow prisoner who had died still had on a wedding ring, he realized that he could use it to buy water from one of their Korean guards, who fortunately were as greedy as they were brutal. But he found that the corpse had swollen too much to get it off the usual way. Having no sharp objects, he ended up chewing the finger off.

I draw no moral from this anecdote. All I can say is that one billion years of evolution have made most of us value life.





Just Sayin'
- Friday, June 8 2018 11:57:44

Ray

I don't think that number works in France.

And those of us it does work for will probably be put on hold. :-|


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