Unca Harlan's Art Deco Dining Pavilion

Discussion of the man and his work.

Welcome to the Art Deco Dining Pavilion! Here's the deal. This is Harlan's little breakfast nook at Webderland. When he's not here, we chat about him and his work. When he is, we act like we're guests in his home. That's about all there is to it. (link to More specific rules) Oh, and since the nook doesn't exactly hold a crowd (and to prevent the less frequent voices from being drowned out), please limit yourself to one post a day unless Harlan asks you a direct question. The Pavilion Annex is available if you're the logorrheic type. Also, we have archives of old posts. RSS Feed

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- Sunday, March 24 2019 15:20:21

*'s health is not high on my list of priorities. No, I had in mind all the germs he must leave behind on the public library's computer when the staff chases him out at closing time.

Bok Choy
- Saturday, March 23 2019 19:27:58

The Pyramid Collection
is described in an advertisement in the Ellison issue of THE MAGAZINE OF FANTASY AND SCIENCE FICTION as: Mind Blasts.

- Saturday, March 23 2019 18:49:56


In that case, wouldn't it make more sense to clean the keyboard BEFORE posting?

Kenneth Stevens <stevens.kenneth@gmail.com>
Knoxville, Tennessee - Saturday, March 23 2019 16:34:37

I hope Vonnegut's asshole uses an alcohol-based disinfectant on the keyboard after each exciting post. A lot of those old-time diseases are staging a comeback, you know, especially in post-civilizational areas such as California--a writer I know moved out to LA and within a month caught typhus.

- Saturday, March 23 2019 11:10:14


- Wednesday, March 20 2019 22:27:50

The Man Who...
Make that sublime camera, or cinematic, work.

- Wednesday, March 20 2019 22:25:26

The Man Who Killed Don Quixote
A magical mixture of the real and the surreal, fantasy vs. reality, mainstream and "genre", comedy and tragedy, lunacy and sorrow. And a fascinating look at how a life in film (interacting with the Hollywood machine? An interaction which, in itself, can be seen as dance between "what's flesh and what's fantasy"), can take its toll on various lives. The movements -- of the camera, of the narrative, and so on -- between the real world and the imagined are impeccable. Excellent script, excellent direction, bravura acting and sublime direction.

Harlan would have loved it.
And, I heretell, it is only getting a one day screening in the USA.
More's the pity.

Just Sayin'
- Wednesday, March 20 2019 20:1:23


Harlan was also listed for quite some time. And the book Jeff is thinking of is *Alone Against Tomorrow*, which is available in "redacted" form from Jason's site. I'm sure the redactions in question are all of those identifying numbers. There may be others, but I don't know about that.

music -- "I feel like a number ..." -- fade music

Keeney <rickwkeeney@gmail.com>
Sierra Vista, AZ Territory - Wednesday, March 20 2019 17:17:6

WTF and Andrew
Thanks to you both.

Especially to WTF. For mere initials you make a great mom.

ALSO Do I have Webderland friends in AZ? Anyone here hail from The Grand Canyon State?

Chuck Messer
- Wednesday, March 20 2019 16:16:24

I will not be pushed, stamped, filed, briefed, de-briefed, or numbered!

Well, except for my phone number...and my social security number...and my driver's license number...and my license plate...

Shit. I'm numbered all to hell.

Well, at least I've got my privacy.



Jeff R.
Philly, - Wednesday, March 20 2019 14:16:16

Well, this was about 44 years or so ago, but, as far as I can remember, I simply called the Los Angeles Bell Telephone Directory Assistance. In one of his books - I think it MIGHT have been FROM THE LAND OF FEAR - he had an essay about how each person has sets of numbers attached to his life. If I recall, he gave his Army serial number, MAYBE his Social Security number, and then said something like, "If you need to reach me on the phone, I am..." and then gave that number. I didn't see that book until after I made the call. And, no, I never called a second time. Didn't see any point in pressing my luck.

Robert Nason <nightwriterblue82@gmail.com>
Whitestone, NY - Wednesday, March 20 2019 13:36:6

Jason Davis-- Thank you for filling in the background information behind the Pyramid editions of Harlan's books. You aptly call them "the most Harlan-iest" editions of any of his books, and that's how I've I always felt about them. It's remarkable how just the right layout and design of a book can imprint itself on your memory and become virtually synonymous with the author himself. I particularly recall the list of Ellison books at the front of each Pyramid edition which listed those already in print and those that were forthcoming. The titles of the forthcoming books were incredibly tantalizing. Some of them were eventually published, others were not. But they certainly gave me something to look forward to.

Jeff R.-- How did you manage to get Harlan's phone number? I remember when I was briefly a teenage fanzine publisher and wanted to interview Lin Carter for my Tolkien fanzine. A friend told me he lived not far away in my own borough of Queens, so I just looked him up in the phone book and, voila, there he was. He generously gave me about 20 minutes of his time, and I let him know I was recording the conversation so I could transcribe and publish it in my zine. I must say that almost without exception the writers and editors I encountered as a teenage fan were exceptionally friendly and open to my inquiries and desire to schmooze with them. They generously gave me a lot of great memories.

Sedge Simlick
- Wednesday, March 20 2019 10:9:50

"I expected more from a person like Josh Olson."

Really? From everything I've read, you were treated exactly as expected by a person like Josh Olson. Honestly, you are better off hanging around different company than that guy. Consider it your win.

Jason Davis <ellison.editor@gmail.com>
Burbank, California - Monday, March 18 2019 22:37:37

Fritz Quadrata: The original Houghton Mifflin SHATTERDAY has a beautiful layout. You may have noticed that Subterranean Press duplicated it for their hardback editions of THE DEADLY STREETS and GENTLEMAN JUNKIE. (They may also have used that layout on DEATHBIRD STORIES as well, but I don't recall without looking.) SHATTERDAY was gorgeous, though; only THE ESSENTIAL ELLISON is similarly a pleasure to read.

Robert Nason: You should see Harlan's instructions for the Pyramid books. He wrote all the copy--the back cover, the splash page, even the copyright page--and he even designed the title pages. Those books are probably the Harlan-iest of ANY Ellison books, and I'm still annoyed that Jove bought Pyramid, prematurely ending the line. There were two more on the way, one of which was BRAIN MOVIES...which didn't come out until I did it in 2011.

Jeff R.: If Harlan listened to you and didn't hang up, whatever you said DID mean something to him. He wouldn't have given you ANY time, otherwise.

NYC, - Monday, March 18 2019 21:15:3

The Pyramid Editions

Robert Nason,

Yes indeed, those Pyramid paperback editions are super duper. They are wonderful, gem-like, those uniform editions. Last year, for the first time in my life, I read a previously-owned copy of Pyramid's PARTNERS IN WONDER, especially HE's collaboration with Robert Sheckley, " I See a Man Sitting on a Chair, and the Chair Is Biting His Leg" and his collaboration with Theodore Sturgeon, "Runesmith". Both stories are very enjoyable reading in the Pyramid editions. I'm tight with that.

Jeff R.
Philly, - Monday, March 18 2019 13:47:52

Shameful True Confession
Robert, when I was about 15 -- too young to know any better -- I DID call him on the phone. "Sir, can I tell you what one of your stories did for me?" A long, irritated sigh, followed by, "Make it quick, will ya?" So I spent the next five minutes gushing. By the end, he had calmed down and quietly, gently thanked me for calling and told me to take care of myself. It meant nothing to him, nor should it have, but I shall never forget it.

Robert Nason <nightwriterblue82@gmail.com>
Whitestone, NY - Sunday, March 17 2019 21:33:10

Personally I love the Pyramid editions with the Dillon covers from the 1970s, but then that's when I first fell in love with the Ellisonian voice. And the color photos of Harlan on the back covers made him seem like the kind of writer you'd like to call on the phone, to paraphrase J.D. Salinger.

Fritz Quadrata
New York City, New York - Sunday, March 17 2019 13:16:36

Pavilioneers, which title is your favorite layout of a Harlan Ellison book? Fonts / typefaces / spacing / dingbats.

I really like the hardbound SHATTERDAY.

- Saturday, March 16 2019 18:19:9

Apologies for the mistype ... unfamiliar keyboard or somethin'.

- Saturday, March 16 2019 9:1:2

Yo, Keeny

Did you ever get hold of shagin? And did you thank Andrew for the guidance in doing so?

Kenneth Stevens <stevens.kenneth@gmail.com>
Knoxville, Tennessee - Friday, March 15 2019 16:46:28

My second paragraph simply made explicit what was implicit in the first paragraph. Like Iceberg Slim, another former pimp, Charlie was a past master of game, as amply demonstrated by his ability to persuade women to murder, to persuade them to attempt to kill a President, and--even after his death--to persuade one of them to wear clothing that bears his likeness while patronizing the same coffee house that I do. The phenomenon is remarkable, so I remarked upon it.

Would it have been obnoxious to have written, "Say what you will about Genghis Kahn, he was a great general"? That he was responsible for the slaughter of ten percent of the human race does not negate his prowess as a military strategist, which which was approached only by that of Alexander the Great. Indeed, it was the latter that made the former possible.

Keeney <rickwkeeney@gmail>
Frostedoverapolis, MN - Friday, March 15 2019 12:54:11

Charlie Chuckles
Re: The offputting Charles Manson-related quip by KS-

“Say what you will about Charlie, the man had serious game.”

I’m too hungry a fish not to hit on that fat bait. But that’s what it looked like. Bait. Is why I gobbled. And I spat it back out because I am not entirely lacking for taste. And know I know me-I’d just get all stupid with it.

And can we assume that your comment translates to “Whatever you may say about Charles Manson is somehow balanced out by whatever positive trait which they might possess.

So, with a yucky taste in my mind, I ask myself:

“What would Harlan say?” (There should be just such a bracelet. WWHS?)

I’m not sure what he would say. Or have said. Maybe nada.

Maybe: First he’d upbraid us for not chiming in ahead of him. Then perhaps he’d say something along the lines of “How about not leaving that one wiggling on the table sans garnish, Hoss.” OR “You need to back up your seemingly-provocative, and/or obnoxious statement.”

He might yell. Sling some brutal slang. Unleash a tirade of vicious verbal Krav Maga. Maybe nada.

Otherwise it’s simply some awful thing placed there to evoke exactly what one might expect it to evoke. Like an ugly shirt, on a hot mama.

So I encourge you to pipe up with it, KS. Be interesting.


- Friday, March 15 2019 11:39:10

Are there two different "Jeff R."s now?

Jeff R.
San Diego, CA - Wednesday, March 13 2019 21:8:4

Interesting choice of a title
I thought this was odd: a book I noticed today while browsing the "just ordered" section of my local library's website. It's called "A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World," by some guy I've never heard of, and as the title suggests takes place in a post-apocalyptic setting, and involves a missing dog.
The link is to the library website; I haven't tried looking it up at Kirkus or the major online book retailer. I know you can't copyright book titles--look no farther than "Blood's a Rover," for example--and perhaps the only similarities are superficial. Still seems kinda nervy, though. Or maybe it's just me.

- Wednesday, March 13 2019 17:18:39

Jeff R.
Went to an SF convention in my early twenties and vowed never to make *that* mistake again. Easy to understand why writers such as Heinlein only attended them when they were up for an award. Fandom is cancer.

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