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Comments Archive - 08/09/97 to 12/26/97

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Friday December 26 1997 21:37:05

Hmm. I don't think it was Cameron people were talking about. Do films really treat you as an imbecile, Arkadin, or do they simply not treat you as intelligently as you clearly think you rate? Between sessions of sitting around "wounding" other art forms, consider, please, the difference between being an elitist and being a snob. If the food gets less nurishing, we don't stop eating or bad-mouth the cooks (unless prepared to learn to dish it out ourselves). I had the unnerving experience not long ago of wriitng a letter of complaint to the local newspaper publisher about the quality of the film reviews (over the review of "Batman and Robin," mind you, a seriously disappointing entry) and being politely answered that he (the publisher) couldn't remark on a critic's duty to the improvement of a given art, and that he was content to settle for "helping" people decide where to spend their money. I pay considerably less attention to the newspapers here, since then. I think that's what marks the elitist: neither universal acceptance of whatever drek makes its way to the multiplex, or blanket statements about the sorry state of films/books/theater/literacy/television/traffic/young people today. You have to recognize good and bad in any effort before you can make any positive changes, weeding out the stuff that doesn't work, replacing it with the stuff that does. And in closing, ALL art is self-indulgent, and derivetive, whether properly spelled or not. Cheers, Doc

Mr. Arkadin
- Friday December 26 1997 17:32:53

Sheesh! I had no intentions of getting people riled over James Cameron (of all the pointless things to get riled over), but that appears to be the case. My main point would be in response to Sue Luesse's comments. I find it amusing that any time somebody finds standard Hollywood fare to be dismal, derivative, and hacklike, that person is branded as some kind of elitist snob. Such anti-intellectualism has been pervasive among us for years, and the problem only gets worse. I consider myself a student of film; I do not, however, view films in terms of any critical theory, or any other academic wankery. Film is the premiere art form of the 20th century, and like any other art form, most of what gets to the public is garbage -- the old Sturgeon "90% of everything is crap" line. The problem with film is that it is available to such a wide audience. Film is controlled by the moneymen, which guarantees some amount of tripe to reach us, with a few "art" films thrown in for those Oscar nominations. I fully agree that films are entertainment, but I simply prefer entertainment that is intelligent, well-made, and doesn't treat me like an imbecile. If people don't see the movies that only play in "art houses" and on PBS, it isn't necessarily because nobody wants to see them; it is just as much because people are under the impression that anything which is viewed as for the "Masterpiece Theater" crowd must be for geeks and eggheads only. Besides, PBS doesn't show anything which is truly revolutionary in terms of film; they show the things which are aimed at their market. Finally, I don't watch films for PhD. credit, although it would be a cushy job if I did; I watch them like I wound any other art form: I study their craft and look for signs of some insight into anything meaningful. I also look to be entertained. If because I don't look for films with lots of explosions, fight scenes, and cool special effects I am to be labeled elitist and outcast, that's cool with me. If you'll recall, I believe HE has proudly labeled himself an elitist, so that's pretty good company as far as I'm concerned. Finally, Sue, please don't take this as any kind of attack on you personally. I mean my comments only in the spirit of honest and rational debate. Till next time...

Doc <as below,...>
- Wednesday December 24 1997 02:02:09

And, before I forget, I'm well-aware that INDEPENDENCE DAY is little more than a remake of EARTH VS. THE FLYING SAUCERS. Did we need it? Do we *need* *ANY* movie? It was a good remake, nonetheless, and divided its time nicely between all the characters. And it deservedly squashed MARS ATTACKS! So there. >:b -- Doc

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Wednesday December 24 1997 01:55:27

Hmm. I woulda thought it was a bit late in the year for a marshmallow and weenie roast -- clearly, I was mistaken! All I have to say on the matter is that THE TERMINATOR was a fine little flick (with a *great* storyline!), and Cameron went on to do some things that were cool (ALIENS), some that stood up too long (THE ABYSS), and overall get spoiled by the Hollywood budgeting scale -- happened to Tarantino, happened to Rodriguez (? did EL MARIACHI...), happened to John Carpenter, and plenty of other people. And I do have to confess that I really, but REALLY wanted to see Cameron fall on his ass, with this (not *everything* has to play as an action picture) -- but every word I've heard about it has been better than "good." At least until Mr. Aardvark's opinion, which he is welcome to share as he likes. Maybe he can suggest some more-enriching film for our discussion? Especially as I haven't and likely won't see TITANIC? SUE -- you go, Mizz Thang! Cheers all, and Happy Chanukah -- Doc

Sue Luesse <ohm@peace>
- Tuesday December 23 1997 19:30:49

Hee hee - can't resist.. *DOC* I thought TV was filmed, too - so when I said film addaptations, it was intended to include that medium as well as "movies".. *Mr. Arkadin* Nice rebuttal. Nice attitude. Maybe you should limit yourself to documentaries, and non-fiction.. The vast majority of people do not watch a movie for college credit towards their PhD... Movies are "entertainment" unless they are self-described otherwise. They are supposed to be razzle-dazzle *fun*. They are, after all, part of the Entertainment Industry (that should have been a big clue). If they aren't fun - they show at Film Festivals and short runs in empty theaters, are talked about by elitist film snobs as if they are the "only" films with any merit, and are re-run endlessly on PBS. If they are fun *AND* manage to include a little "brain food" - great! If not - *shrug*, as long as they are still fun, mission accomplished. Sheesh! What's wrong with *fun*??? And I'm still laughing at the implied designation of "fan" upon my poor feeble brain.. Guess I need to spend a LOT of time in alt.fan.media.expert - so I, too, can impress and amaze total strangers... Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe ... oh .. yeah .. HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!

Mr. Arkadin
- Tuesday December 23 1997 15:01:59

Couldn't help but read the comments about Titanic without making a rebuttal. I've never been a fan of James Cameron,and I always felt that his films were more a matter of style over any real substance, and Titanic is no different. The fact that everyone is naming this film as an a favorite for the Academy Awards shows how far a little razzle dazzle will go to fool the masses. Look at Independence Day. Like Titanic, a poor script but great effects. This seems to be the curse of Star Wars; impress people with effects in order to cover the weaknesses of your story. There's no doubting that the effects are amazing, but there needs to be more than that to make a good film. At least Cameron hired some real actors this time, other than Schwartzenager. Cameron takes ages to make these monstrously expensive movies, which turn out to be brain candy forgotten shortly after viewing. Let's just pray that we are not subjected to Terminator 3: The Rehash. Au revoir, all...

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Tuesday December 23 1997 04:29:50

E.C. -- at a guess, I'd say it had something to do with either his remarks about the first Star Wars movie or Star Trek: the Motionless Picture. Apart from that, there's no telling what some fans got up in a twist about. As far as HE's material in the movies, only "A Boy & His Dog" has been adapted, to date. HE wrote PLENTY of television, but his only produced screenplay was for THE OSCAR -- which, somewhere in that timeless time between his Olympia and the shooting script, changed into something other than what he wrote. I'm told. It could have been just a ham-fisted treatment at the hands of the production team. All of which leaves me even more keen to see what MEFISTO is going to look like as a finished product. Then there's TITANIC. Hope Infoman will forgive me, but I'll have to wait for it on video or cable. If he wants to know why, he can call and ask. Happy Chanukah, kids. Doc

SueLuesse <feh@pishtushes>
- Tuesday December 23 1997 04:25:06

*FEO* I don't know if there is a bibliography of HE Movie/TV credits - but we could ask him to list his contract/deposit slips... :-) ... *INFOMAN* I'm sure glad to hear you say that about James Cameron - since I thought Terminator was one of the best movies of its time (despite somewhat "murky" origons), surpassed only by A Boy And His Dog for excellent addaptations of Ellisonia from print to film. Now there will be *two* of us beating back the fanboys with sticks as they 'defend HE'..giggle.. *SHAZ* hooo-HAH! Did the "shake-weigh-measure" thing on the pretties under the Christmas tree, and I'm almost sure I got Edgeworks 3 *AND* 4... :-) ... If you don't hear from me for a few days after Christmas, you'll know what happened. Already have the blanket and new batteries in the flashlight.. And I already have read all 4 collections.. YIKES! Am I turning into a HE-aholic?? *ALL* would _love_ to stay and play the Trivia Game - but the last regular game of Monday Night Football is on right now.. Priorities, yaknow.. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

Feo amante <feosamante@aol>
blah, blah, blah Quack, quack, quack! - Tuesday December 23 1997 04:00:51

Ellison felt the story sucked, fans bid on it anyway. For those of you who have yet to meet Harlan. the guy is good and kind and friendly in a small crowd. He took the time to talk to fans "on the floor". Whether he wants to admit it or not, Harlan, even when he felt that some pinchbrain's gun could be pointing at his back, was a truly nice guy. Now my question, DVD's are coming out. How many Ellison movies are expected out in 1998? I've noticed that A Boy And His Dog has been released. Does HE have a list of movies that have been made from his books/stories whereien he is properly credited and hasn't been ripped off?

E.C.McMullen Jr. <feosamante@aol>
Houston, Texas Figure it out, Asimov! - Tuesday December 23 1997 03:52:34

A long lifetime ago, I met HE at the 1978 WSF Iguanacon. At the time he had received a death threat or two from some not-very-forth coming coward(s). Harlan's response was to announce that he would wear a T-Shirt with a target on the back (Why was he being threatened thus? TRIVIA TIME! Who besides me and HE knows? No fair asking him.) Anywho, all us young troublemakers were HotDamn impressed with his chutzpah and decided to applaud him with various acts of victimless hooliganism throughout the event. Because it was 1978, there were no known sexual diseases that could not be cured (as far as we knew). For a teenager of unrevealed age, it was a wildly exciting and heady time! Harlan seemed to spend a good deal of his time in a plastic pyramid (Pyramid power was very misunderstood in those days, i.e. many otherwise sane people seemed to think the damn shapes imparted some kind of mystical power. Every decade has its stupidity), writing a story on the spot to be auctioned off in support of a non-prof. org.

Greg Hurd <hurdg@alpena.cc.mi.us>
Alpena, MI Upper USA - Tuesday December 23 1997 00:20:46

OK, kiddies I know a lot of us missed this on the first go 'round, but I noticed this on the Late Night page and Unca Tom is going to rebroadcast..... Tu 12/23 Kirk Douglas, Harlan Ellison (R 9/24/97) .....now let me warm up this darjeering and I'll tell you a real tale....

Infoman <ichhabekein>
- Monday December 22 1997 23:26:04

Even though he "borrowed heavily" from Ellison for "The Terminator," (and should be eternally ashamed for not giving credit in the first place) James Cameron is one helluva filmmaker. Which is why you folks out there should run to your nearest theater or cineplex and take in Cameron's new flick, "Titanic." It's as close to a one-man show as any director has ever gotten (not forgetting actors, equipment grunts, etc). And it is (in my humble opinion) one of the year's top five movies, and one of the best all around movies in over a year. Definitely Cameron's masterpiece. I've seen it twice, and still want to see it again! (This has been an unpaid, unsolicited endorsement).

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Thursday December 18 1997 06:27:24

Shinders -- Ellison isn't writing the script *yet*. The guy has had an interminable amount of time at this point, and dear Unca Harlan is jovially piercing their ribs about it. I don't know how long they have the option on it, or if they bought it whole -- but I have a hard time believing that HE would sell if it didn't look a LOT like the picture was gonna happen. So he's doing much ahem-ing and pointing at his screenwriting experience. Shouldn't be long now -- in any case, I'm *sure* we'll hear one way or the other. Cheers, all -- Doc

DTS <None>
- Thursday December 18 1997 03:35:46

Doc: soon as I get my email, I'll send you a note. Until then, I gotta tell ya: I loved you in "The Big Picture" and "River Wild." Thanks for the inside info on the casting of "Mefisto In Onyx." I knew about Samuel Jackson, but had no idea about Kathleen Turner. She's perfect! (I still get sweaty palms when watching "Body Heat" on video). Too bad Ellison isn't writing the script, though. Anyway, Happy Holidays to you, Mr. Bacon. And, Frohe Wienachten und Glucklich Neu Yahr to the rest of the Webderlanders -- DTS.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Thursday December 18 1997 02:24:09

DORMAN -- my "real" name? Lamont Cranston. You can work your way back from there to discover that *I* actually *am* Kevin Bacon. The grief you got for your "christian" name is a sad business compared to the sheer wacky frisk-n-frolic I got/get about my surname. What I write under is around here someplace, and that'll have to do since I'm changing to that legally at my first opportunity. If you wanna know more, you'll have to get me on the private line (e-mail). EVERYONE ELSE -- haven't heard anything about "Phoenix," but "Mefisto" was bought as a property for Samuel L. Jackson. Heard it from Unca Harlan himself (he is/was waiting for the guy they hired to adapt it [he gave us "Prophecy" a year or two ago] to implode). Casting, as I recall, was Jackson, Kathleen Turner and Mel Gibson. Haven't heard anything about "Fallen" -- what's the story with that? Cheers, Doc

Sue Luesse <jaluesse@ismi.net>
- Thursday December 18 1997 01:22:02

*DTS* While I am inclined to agree with you that Robert is most probably thinking of "Mephisto In Onyx" - there is indeed a HE story titled "Phoenix" in The Beast, which just came out as one half of the latest in the Edgeworks series.. Denzel would be good in that lead role, too.. :-)

DTS <None>
- Wednesday December 17 1997 23:04:24

Robert: Huh? Wha? "Phoenix in Obsidian?" Did I miss an Ellison title or did you just drop in from a parallel world? (You talking maybe about "Mefisto In Onyx?"). -- DTS

DTS <None>
- Wednesday December 17 1997 23:00:52

Doc: yeeesh! Sorry about the double-shot. This weird board makes me think I sometimes didn't post correctly the first time. Anyway, I really am looking forward to reading your reviews -- both of them! Merry Xmas, DTS.

DTS <None>
- Wednesday December 17 1997 22:56:52

Hey, Doc! No need to beg for forgiveness. I thought we were playing a new game (add one letter to the moniker and see what comes up). I really don't get angry about people messing around with my name. In my many years of living (with a first name like mine) I've heard all sorts of combinations from all kinds of feebs who think they're being clever. So don't worry your pretty little head. Looking forward to reading your review! -- DTS

Robert Anton-Erik <sheal933@uidaho.edu>
Moscow, ID USA - Wednesday December 17 1997 22:23:27

Does anyone know what's up with the "Phoenix in Obsidian" movie. I've heard rumors, like it stars Samuel Jackson, but the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com) contains absolutely no information. Furthermore, does HE know about the upcoming movie Fallen, starring Denzel Washington? Looks like a complete rip off of "Phoenix." Considering HE's reaction to Terminator, I wonder how he feels about Fallen? Anyone know anything about any of this. I loved "Phoenix" and I'd love to see a movie of it!!

Shaz
The Netherlands - Wednesday December 17 1997 21:34:05

SUE: No kidding! You can get a NEW paperback ESSENTIAL ELLISON for only $15.96 at Amazon.com! I'll leave the overspending on antiquarian books to DA MAN himself--HE has the money for it, not this poor student. Let's not even TALK about the other copy of the same book, but in better condition, that was going for $40!! *SHEESH!*

DTS <None>
- Wednesday December 17 1997 21:18:46

Hey! No need to beg for forgiveness, Doc. I thought we were engaging in a new word game -- add an extra letter and see what comes of it. I could never be angry with anyone as sincere as yourself -- really! Cheers to you, too, Dawk (damn! another typo!). I mean, Doc. (by the way: what is your REAL name and why do you call yourself Doc? You don't illegally dispense medication, do you? ...I mean, to yourself, or otherwise). Looking forward to reading your review. -- DTS.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Wednesday December 17 1997 18:05:27

It's in -- Rick has it -- Harlan gave it the go -- coming soon to a review page near you.... Elsewise, I can only say how terribly grieved I am concerning my oversight: that should have been "Shindler", with no "c" (and I mean NO "c"). Honestly, Dorman, I don't know what I'll do if you can't find some forgiveness in your heart for me. Cheers, gang (you too, Dormouse), Doc

Sue Luesse
- Wednesday December 17 1997 16:56:29

BRAVO *DTS* - That's the most I've seen made of the least in the name of one-ups-manship in a Loooong time... "Dock"?? Do I sense some hostility here? And since everyone seems to know more than I do, just wondering - when HE writes in his underwear, what kind are they?? Silk boxers seems appropriate... in a royal purple or blue.. But, with his penchant for speaking on behalf of the common man, whitey-tighties could also "fit" the image.. Of course, totally naked and raw fits the writing style.. For the answer to this, and other world-shaping events, stay tuned to this B-Board.. *SHAZ* $23?!? For a Paperback?!? Whaaaat - are you crazy? I could get 92 books for that price.. That's garage/estate/library sale fare.. Or Christmas/Birthday wish-list stuff.. ;-) Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

DTS <None>
- Tuesday December 16 1997 21:46:37

JOKES WITHOUT PUNCHLINES: the contents are "introduction" (no snappy title), a short essay/intro in which Ellison reflects on his distaste for Chicago; "The Cheese Stands Alone"; "How to Make Life Interesting (an excpert from AN EDGE IN MY VOICE)"; and "Sensible City." All of which (as "Dock" noted below)can be found in EDGEWORKS Vol. 1 and 2, and in SLIPPAGE. The chapbook was printed up by White Wolf for an ABA appearance in Chicago (circa 1995) by Ellison, as a promo for the (at the time) upcoming EDGEWORKS series. Mystery solved, courtesy of...DTS

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
San Francisco, CA - Monday December 15 1997 22:28:24

Charlie -- Does JOKES WITHOUT PUNCHLINES exist? Yes and no: it's a title; that's the punchline. I know, *I* didn't think it was very funny either. Actually, it's a sort of chapbook with a story or two, and a few essays. Not easy yo put hands on. One of our other learned crew, PHILLIP CAIRNS (who apparently has been taken hostage by terrorists, or is so in awe of my mesmerizing prose that he cannot respond [without hurting my feelings]), can tell you more about it; his e-mail is around here somewhere, and I believe he has a copy. It wasn't very widely circulated, to my knowledge, and the material can be found in other volumes of Il Maestro's work. Lots o' luck and thanks for playing. SCHINDLER -- you got the $23 copy, did you? My, my my -- you hound-dog. Your parents must be proud. SUE -- has the kvelling gone down yet? Look forawrd to hearing from you soon. Gotta go -- my other review is ready to scan in. Cheers, Doc

Charlie <cmalsam@aol.com>
FL - Monday December 15 1997 21:43:40

Does the book Jokes w/o Punchlines exist? It's listed as a 1995 publication in the E4 Books of HE.

Sue Luesse <braindead@home>
Tell me when we're having fun, - Sunday December 14 1997 22:41:00

HI!! *ALL* Just thought I'd let you know I'm not 'quite' dead yet.. I'll be _much_ better in the morning.. We closed the show last weekend, and I returned home after a 3 week cleaning hiatus - and all the Christmas stuff I usually would've been done with.. But the show (our first theater adventure) was a blast, so I guess it was worth it. They let the Bug Bite, and we are stage-junkies now.. Next show is Ruddigore in April (this is a warning of my impending disappearance). Hubby will be in the cast, and *this* time I am the Official Costume Co-ordinator, instead of the 'default'.. ("Honey... we don't have costumes...and it's only 3 weeks til we open...) The house is about half done. We do it up royally - a hold-over tradition from when we couldn't afford a tree, and decorated the house instead. It's like standing in the middle of a Christmas tree when I'm done. Just got the last of the cards out - so I should be back on track in a few days.. Which means I can *finally* get back to the last 3 stories in The Beast, and get the review to Rick.. Shades of TLDV!! I shall never Pooh-pooh again! Hope you are all having a *FUN* Holiday Season. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

DTS <None>
- Sunday December 14 1997 02:50:19

One last word on book-finding sites: in addition to www.bibliofind.com, anyone wanting to find rare books should also check out www.abebooks.com (this may have already been mentioned, I can't remember). That site has as many -- if not more -- books by Ellison and just about any other writer you can think of -- DTS.

DTS <None>
- Sunday December 14 1997 00:52:43

Shaz: no email yet, so here's the contents of Nightshade & Damnations: "Kersh, the Demon Prince" (Ellison intro), "The Queen of Pig Island," "Frozen Beauty," "The Brighton Monster," "Men Without Bones," "'Busto Is A Ghost, Too Mean to Give Us a Fright!'" "The Ape and the Mystery," "The King Who Collected Clocks," "Bone For Debunkers," "A Lucky Day For the Boar," "Voices In the Dust of Aanan," "Whatever Happened To Corporal Cuckoo?" The copy I got wasn't all that bad looking (a bit rubbed on the front, but not bent up or worn-out looking from heavy reading -- must've been in storage on someone's bookshelf). I'm glad I got it cause the stories (so far) are worth it, and it sports a Leo and Diane Dillon cover. I've been lucky enough to find some of the old 1970's Pyramid paperbacks over the years in my travels since the early 80's (all with covers by the Dillons), and I even found three original paperbacks (at a cost of $10, $5, and $1) with Dillion artwork, the best of which would be FROM THE LAND OF FEAR and I HAVE NO MOUTH...(the last title, original publication, has a very "Boschian" cover -- cool). That's all the news fit to type (longwinded, but at least Ellison-related). -DTS

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
Holland - Thursday December 11 1997 02:42:57

DTS: Yeah, I saw that $23 copy on the bibliofind search as well--that was STILL too steep (especially with the current exchange rate "U.S. dollars to Dutch guilders" being around 2 guilders for every dollar!). All the books I mentioned in my previous text were from the same bookstore you ordered your Nightshade from, Great Books. One thing I can say for that company is that it has fast service. But considering what I saw resulting from a "very good to fine" condition of a small paperback of Kersh's, I wouldn't even consider plonking down $23 dollars for a small paperback in said condition. I'm a bit anal-retentive about books--I like them to be nice and crisp, even on the covers. PLEASE DO let me know the list of story contents when you get it, and I will check it against my two short story Kersh collections! If you want, you can email the list to me instead of boring other Board members with it. Thanks again!

Savage
- Tuesday December 9 1997 01:32:40

You seem like a learned and studious bunch, so mayhaps someone can deliver unto this most unworthy one the facts for either debunking or confirming a piece of Ellison Apocrypha that has reached my ears from far-flung lands: the story has it that during an east coast appearance within the last few years, HE received from a pair of fans a six-pack of cans proporting to be from the Idea company in Schnectedy, NY (an homage to HE's standing answer to the tired question of where his ideas come from). I have heard conflicting stories that HE was either in speechless adoration of the tribute, or that he launched into a tirade against the hapless fans for what HE perceived to be calculated ridicule. I put little stock in the latter, but must even question the entire story, being as it came to me with a standard urban legend pedigree (a friend of a friend's brother knew a girl whose cousin's boyfriend's roommate - you know the routine). But HE's east coast appearances are not so plentiful, and I harbor the hope, if true, of an actual eye-witness. Does anyone have the REAL skinny on this fanciful tall tale?

DTS <smilesville>
- Monday December 8 1997 18:15:41

Woah! Guess what? I got a $23 copy of the same book (Nightshades & Damanations) from the same bookstore mentioned below! (that bibliofind site is swell). Shaz: I'll let you know the contents when it arrives -- until then, you people have a safe holiday season! -- DTS

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Monday December 8 1997 08:45:01

Hmmph. Blah. Pfui! I haven't even read it yet, but I know what I should have always known, yet can never seem to remember: "Love Ain't Nothing But Sex Misspelled." As we approach this jolly holiday season,...oh, blow it. No balm in Gillead, and I certainly can't afford $40 for even a book that rare and promising. Shit. G'night, folks, think of me often, and say kind things. Doc

Shaz
- Sunday December 7 1997 02:24:53

Drat and double-drat! I'm tapped out, since I bought "The Illustrated Harlan Ellison" and "Demon With a Glass Hand" as well as two Gerald Kersh short-story collections. I wonder if the stories in "Nightshade and Damnations" overlap in the collections "Men Without Bones" and "On an Odd Note"...

Mr. Arkadin
- Saturday December 6 1997 12:23:58

Here's another rare book update: Powells Books (www.powells.com) has copies of Juvies ($200) and something called Footsteps ($75) listed on their site under HE tomes for sale. Head there immediately if you're interested, for one assumes these shall go quickly, if not already...For those interested, Powells is a very nice place to deal with. I've bought from them before and had no problems.

Dratman
the Dratcave, - Saturday December 6 1997 01:58:00

On a recent voyage to the Bibliofind site, I discovered something: a $40 copy, in terrific condition, of NIGHTSHADE & DAMNATIONS. 1 ed., I believe. Please move in an orderly fashion,...

Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday December 5 1997 06:43:47

Shaz: The book I have is titled "11th Annual Edition: The Year's Best S-F". It was published by Dell in--hmm, lemme see--1966 and was edited by Judith Merrill. In view of the year, I guess it's a knockoff series. How do I infer this? Well, the stories are from '64 and '65, and there's no Harlan to be found. Heck, there's even a story by Art Buchwald in it! That said, there is a lot of good material in this book.

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
The Netherlands - Monday December 1 1997 18:41:19

Alex: You must have a different book than I do then--I have a copy of THE YEAR'S BEST SCIENCE FICTION: ELEVENTH ANNUAL COLLECTION, and there are no stories by either Kersh or Borges in it. Concerning the Kersh question, I gave in and bought 2 of his short story collections (ON AN ODD NOTE and MEN WITHOUT BONES) using Bibliofind. The books arrived last week and I am looking forward to reading them after my finals are over in early January.

Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Friday November 28 1997 09:08:14

Infoman: No worries; the magazine only cost me a buck. Besides, it's interesting; "Dangerous Visions" had just come out and Pohl wrote an interesting editorial about the "new SF" it represented. I don't feel at all that my money was wasted.

Infoman <7 circle of desolation -- where dreams are shattered>
- Thursday November 27 1997 15:55:36

Alex, sorry to be the bearer of bad(?)news, but you could've saved your money on the copy of "IF" magazine -- if, that is, you have already purchased a copy of Edgeworks Vol 4. That story is part of THE BEAST THAT LOVE AT THE HEART OF THE WORLD. So it goes.

Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday November 27 1997 10:10:17

I snagged two gems today whilst trolling the used-book stores: A March 1968 copy of "IF" with a HE novelette, "Worlds To Kill", of which I had never heard, and a copy of "The Year's Best SF, 11th Edition", which not only has a Jose Luis Borges story, it's got a story by the elusive Gerald Kersh! I like Kersh's stuff; it's (at least in THIS story, "Somewhere Not Far From Here") evocative of what a Hemingway speculative fiction story would be. New Books! Yip! A very Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Thursday November 27 1997 00:32:00

Gott im Himmel, what have I wrought? Okay, nobody likes Judge Crater, or Elvis, or Lamont Cranston/Kent Allard/The Shadow. Hmmph -- how ar afield can I fling this? Um -- lemme see. The Green Hornet? Mandrake the Magician? Lon Chaney? Sr. *&* Jr.? Plain ol' Dorothy Gale from Kansas? ETA Hoffman? E. Hoffman Price? Vincent Price? Vincent Van Gogh? Van Johnson? Samuel Johnson? Samuel Taylor Coleridge? Samuel Beckett? Thomas A'Beckett? Jonathan Taylor Thomas? Dylan Thomas? Thomas Hardy? Oliver Hardy? Oliver Reed? Lou Reed? Lou Diamond Phillips? Lou Costello? Dolores Costello? Dolores Del Rio? Carmen Del Rio? Carmen Jones? Henry Jones? Henry Ford? Francis Ford Coppola? Francis Bacon? A-HA! THAT'S IT!!! It took more than six degrees, but I have unmasked you now,...KEVIN Bacon! Take that! And *that!* Cheers, Doc

Infoman <The Region Between>
- Wednesday November 26 1997 22:34:53

You're a wild woman, Sue. Cute, well-formed, and witty. I llllike ya!

Sue Luesse <StillHiding@AnUndisclosed.Location>
- Wednesday November 26 1997 21:41:45

Sheeesh! Couldn't we wait, Joe, until I mail off the two Ovaltine seals, and get my secret decoder ring first?? Shoot! I just got belly-bloat from drinking two whole jars of Ovaltine to get those seals.. Bet *you* got *your* decoder ring.. And just WHY does every little mystery have to be stripped of it's fascination and fun? I say the wondering and infinite speculation is a LOT more fun than squashing everything into facts so there can only be one Right Answer (and the ever-present corolary, "And *I* have it"). Besides, I have it on good authority that Infoman is the college drop-out boy-toy of a former European showgirl. So there. Phhhtttttp!... ;-) ...*SHAZ* In response to your Gerald Kersh query.. uhhhh.. I've never read anything of his. Sorry. *DOC* Hooooo-Hah! You've been quite the busy boy. Glad to hear that the writing has gotten a "boost" from HE's praise of it. :-) And what's this I hear about you and Elvis having on-line tete-a-tete's through a medium named Bruce?? For shame!! ;-)

Joe Kerr <pun@aol.com>
- Wednesday November 26 1997 16:57:20

Seems to be a bit of interest in this Infoman character, so I say it's time for the final Jeopardy round: who do you folks think is hiding behind the nom de plume? To start it off, I say it's none other than Norbert Fillmore, celebrated newspaper columnist at the Painesville Tribune! (what say you all?)

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Tuesday November 25 1997 21:49:50

Dear Infoman -- Just by-the-by, I hope that "over and out" thing doesn't mean you're fleeing the scene, returning to lurk once more in the shadows of Graceland. You'll *always* be the King, to me and countless thousands of children across this great land of ours. Others might refer to you as the Phantom of the Grand Ol' Opry, but we know better, don't we,...JUDGE CRATER? (Wow, this is like some weird "Mission: Imposssible" episode, where I just keep whippin' the masks off, and there's someone new blinking into the light! Lordy -- who's next?) XOXOX, Doc

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Tuesday November 25 1997 21:48:18

Dear Infoman -- Just by-the-by, I hope that "over and out" thing doesn't mean you're fleeing the scene, returning to lurk once more in the shadows of Graceland. You'll *always* be the King. Others might refer to you as the Phantom of the Grand Ol' Opry, but we no better, don't we,...JUDGE CRATER? (Wow, this is like some weird "Mission: Imposssible" episode, where I just keep whippin' the masks off, and there's someone new blinking into the light! Lordy -- who's next?) XOXOX, Doc

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Tuesday November 25 1997 09:28:34

A-*HA!* -- I knew it, Elvis, er, I mean, "Infoman." Don't worry, chum -- your secret is safe from me! I mean, um,...what do I mean? I mean something terribly warm, and fuzzy, and endearing. Trust me: you can trust me. Meanwhile, I have the dubious honor of announcing to all our little Webderland family that I am a glutton for something. After much Deep Thought, and clearing it with Rick and Our Fearless Leader, I've begun work on a review of ELLISON WONDERLAND. As far as the SLIPPAGE review, when it goes up is entirely dependent on when Rick and the Missus gets back from their honeymoon -- I guess that's how Rick will know the honeymoon's over, having to wade through my windy prose. I know it's sometime in December -- does anyone recall when Rick's due back at the controls? I might be finished with the other review by then, if HE gives it the thumbs-up (and not, I hope, one of his other fingers). So who knows? Wyatt knows. So there. Cheers, and a Happy Thanksgiving, gang.

Jim Hess <TheShadowDancer@compuserve.com>
- Tuesday November 25 1997 04:12:22

Doc--HE says you're a writer. Nice. Wished he would have said that about *my* review. Oh, well. Can't bat a thousand, I suppose. Good luck, god speed, happy, happy and all that. Lemme know when the reviews are available.

Sue Luesse or someone pretending to be her <Trying2Bquiet@no.forwarding.address>
- Monday November 24 1997 19:29:51

Ummmm.. Infoman... I didn't know it was a "secret".. So, lessee, that means I only have 7 lives left.. No,wait! I used up one on that bike trip to Texas.. Oh yeah, and one that time.. Err *blush*... never mind.. sooo.. I'm down to only one.. Oh NO!! So much for my super-powered alter-ego BlabOmouth finding another heroic mission to enlighten the world... Will I *ever* find a use for those secret ablitites??? ;-)..... Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

Infoman <Avalon>
- Monday November 24 1997 15:44:08

Youse got me, Doc. It is, indeed, me. But let's keep it between us, kiddo. 'Kay? Infoman, over and out.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Sunday November 23 1997 12:13:38

I, ah, "see"? Can you even tell me if I have clapped eyes on you withing the last six months? I haev this feeling that you are EVERYWHERE. Is your name "Lamont Cranston?" A double-blind, perhaps, for Kent Allard, ace pilot, possessed of the power to cloud men's minds so that they cannot see you? You know what evil lurks in the hearts of shaygetsim? Must be terribly tough, being privy to all that info, man, that you can't disclose under pain of multiple deaths. Experience does indeed jeep a dear school. We're all friends, here; practically mishpoche. Still, if you insist,...you're *him*, aren't you? Cheers, Doc

Infoman <Classified>
- Saturday November 22 1997 23:31:03

Pssst! Doc! (whispering here) Since my postings come to you directly from a slave screen of a government-operated Cray computer, I can't reveal my email address (without killing you, that is). And since my highly informative postings are also gained via a simple but "scientific expedient (utilizing a scientific process held dearly secret...") that must remain classified, I can't reveal that information either (or else, I'd...welll, I'd have to kill you -- there are a lot of violent lessons taught in the military). Sorry Doc, but sometimes ignorance really is bliss, while knowedge remains the kiss of death. I remain, in cover of shadows, Infoman.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Saturday November 22 1997 22:16:38

INFOMAN, whe'er you may be: how do you get all the inside poop? And why, at second glance, does your syntax sound somewhat familiar? Are you perhaps "Another Guy -- West of NJ?" who posted further down the Bored? Are you bigger than a breadbox; msaller than the planet Jupiter? Who *are* you, behind those Foster-Grants? I don't suppose you have a snappy purple shirt that you wear with an electrotechnicolor tie? I mean, I won't tell -- e-mail me! Cheers, Doc

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Friday November 21 1997 22:31:41

My-my. EDGEWORKS IV? Gee, seems like only yesterday that I couldn't get the scratch together for EDGEWORKS *I*, now there are four of 'em. Ah, me. We shall see. Oh -- can't resist a little bragging. Finished going over the SLIPPAGE reviews with HE; he likes my work; says he thinks I could make a living writing. Ain't that a kick in the rubber-parts? Certainly warmed *my* cockles. Well -- I must go now and bask in the warmth of the Maestro's praise; and get to work on the next review; AND finish some stories of my own. I am a writer. Harlan Ellison says so. Forgive my smugness, it's just something that's going to have to wear off by itself; typically, it doesn't take too long. Muchas Smoochas, Doc

Jim Hess <104656.765@compuserve.com>
- Thursday November 20 1997 02:31:29

EDGEWORKS FOUR IS OUT!?!?Ahhhhhh!I'll swingline those lying bastards at Barnes and Noble!They lied!Hello everyone.And how are you?

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
The Netherlands - Tuesday November 18 1997 02:22:00

Well, I found a HUGE list of second-hand Gerald Kersh books on the site Infoman suggested. But my question remains: has anyone here read his stuff and if so what did you think of it? I'd love to get the opinions of the users of this board on this author.

Shaz
The Netherlands - Sunday November 16 1997 01:58:53

Infoman: Thanks for the address. I'll check it out. For your information, I did a search on Gerald Kersh on the first searchengine I could find and came up with very little--virtually no info on how to get ahold of his books. The reason most people can't find anything on the internet is that the search engines mostly don't work very well. My husband, who is a programmer, and I have discussed this many times. He, who is no "dumb lazy" user when it comes to searching for something, often has problems himself finding software doing searches. ;-P

Infoman <Oz>
- Saturday November 15 1997 22:22:53

Shaz: I'm not real familiar with the internet (or the easiest or proper ways to search out information), but I did manage to find www.bibliofind.com/ That is the site of an internet bookfinding company. WHen I did a search on their home page (for Gerald Kersh), I found dozens of links to stores which offer Kersh's books at many different prices (from $3.00 to $15.00 or more), depending on the condition. QUick note here: to obtain this information, I simply did a search (on the first "engine" I came across, inputting "rare books" and then "rare books; finding." The second phrase gave me some different choices, and after checking the third choice, I found it to be a "page" of another site which offered many different internet book-finding sites. This took me all of four minutes (this note is taking longer). The point I'm making is that Harlan Ellison is right. The internet makes people dumber, and less self-sufficient. I've seen dozens of postings asking for information about Ellison books (recently published) which said poster could've obtained for him (or her)self by picking up the phone and calling a bookstore or library, or...here's the irony...using the tools right in front of him or her -- the computer! Ah well...it's a brave (if less enlightened) world in which we live. In any case Shaz, use that address above and you'll find plenty of Gerald Kersh. Regards, Infoman.

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
The Netherlands - Friday November 14 1997 22:39:15

Ellison raves about the writing of Gerald Kersh. However, I have never seen any of his books available (two of his books were published in May 1997, according to Amazon.com, by Lightyear Press...and they are ALREADY out of print!!). Has anyone here ever read any of this man's work. If so, can you tell me anything about it (seeing as I will probably never see his writing first hand).

Infoman <Same>
- Thursday November 13 1997 17:29:15

Oh yeah, Underwood Books is located at P.O. Box 1609, Grass Valley, CA, 95945.

Infoman <Erewhon>
- Thursday November 13 1997 17:27:13

Re. Limited Edition of "Repent...": call or fax Underwood Books at 916-274-7997 (phone)/916-274-7179 (Fax). It sells for $45.00, and shipping runs about $5.00 (UPS).

Charlie <cmalsam@aol.com>
St. Pete, FL USA - Thursday November 13 1997 17:22:22

Does anyone have purchasing info. for the Ltd. Ed. of "repent Harlequin, said the Ticktockman". Thanks. Charlie

Adam Webb <oasisbites@aol.com>
Buffalo Grove, IL USA - Thursday November 13 1997 00:04:31

My copy of Edgeworks 4 landed on my doorstep today like a brick thrown from inside the gates of Hell. Er... that's supposed to be a complement. Anyway, it's almost 700 pages long and includes the two "love" books. Harlan writes a new (and brief) introduction; he stops half way through and promises to conclude that inroduction in Volumne 5 (as well as write a new introduction for thatvolume). The JK Snyder cover is beutiful. Go see it. The ISBM (I don't know why anyone needs this but everyone else seems to quote them) is 1-56504-963-2. Oh, it's got a Neil Gaiman intto that was written in 93 for "Beast." Supposedly it's a new intro. That confuses me. I think I like it.

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
The Netherlands - Wednesday November 12 1997 23:42:59

Regarding THE LINGERING SCENT OF WOODSMOKE: I just reread "The Lingering Scent of Woodsmoke". I think it's a gem because it effectively illustrates the irrelevance of Jews in the minds of the Nazis' and how casual such a mindset was by putting the reader's mind in a similar position. When I read it, I didn't even consider that the "immoral crime" that this SS officer is to be punished for is slaughtering trees in the furnaces. The warcrime against trees doesn't enter your mind for a split-second until, of course, the plot twist is revealed. And this is why it is so brilliant. The reader, if s/he is PAYING ATTENTION, finally understands how the Nazis' could attempt to exterminate an entire race in such a horrific manner with impunity...they didn't give the Jews a second thought. Putting the Jews in the furnaces meant about as much loss to the world for them as tossing another log in the fire. Something to think about...

Bill Dennis <wjdennis@inconnect.com>
- Wednesday November 12 1997 04:27:07

Writer David Gerrold recently gave a tribute to Babylon 5 creator Joe Straczynski, listing reasons why Joe should be admired. Here's his reason number 4: "He found honest work for Harlan Ellison. This is the first time Harlan has had a job that has lasted longer than 7 weeks." -- Billy D.

Infoman <Neverland>
- Wednesday November 12 1997 02:16:38

Run, don't walk, to the nearest book store (chain?), cause EDGEWORKS Vol. 4 is here. It's got a pretty cool cover by J.K. Snyder, and an introduction that might have the makings of another "Xenogenesis" (the intro is just the first half, the second will be in Vol. 5, so it's too early to tell for sure; but it looks like he's headed in that direction -- so anyone who's guilty of being a pain, get ready to duck). Regards, Infoman.

Bill Dennis <wjdennis@inconnect.com>
Salk Late City, UT - Sunday November 9 1997 23:04:19

Since DTS gave his forty-nine cent's worth, I'll bump the total up to fifty-one by adding my own thoughts. I don't like SLIPPAGE, and the reason is simple: it makes me feel dumb. See, one of the things I've always admired in HE's works is the way they enlightened me, made me a more thoughtful person. I'd finish a HE tale, and though HE may have chastised me, called me names, walloped me upside the head so I'd see his point, I usually finished the story with a new outlook. "Yeah, I hadn't thought of it that way before; man, I could have had a V-8." Even though HE'd pointed out my shortcomings, I felt myself bettered by the whole ordeal. With SLIPPAGE, however, I read the last sentence of the story and think, "Huh, what'd that mean? I sure don't get it." Now maybe once or twice in a story collection that'd be fine. But with SLIPPAGE it seems to happen the bulk of the time. -- Billy D.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Sunday November 9 1997 10:06:41

Really, one of the things I'm growing to love about SLIPPAGE is the way the stories sneak up on me. I close the book, I put it down, I go for a walk or do some chores around the house. Time trickles past. Then, I suddenly realize that I'm thinking about the story again, and implications start piling up on me. F'rinstance, MEFISTO IN ONYX. First time through, I kinda knew where it was going to end up -- fortunately that didn't distract me from the fact that it was beautifully written. The way Rudy's exposition is handled is as great a piece of writing,...well, the story might just BE a masterpiece, because of *that*. It just rolls out like a conversation would and should, skipping around in the timeline and always making perfect sense, and looking as simple and easy as disliking Andrew Dice Clay. But it ain't that easy. People have hanged themselves in their attic/cellar/shed because they cannot seem to get the knack of that. It's hell, when you can't get your characters to speak effectively. Also, knowing that Ellison has a distinctive "voice," in fiction or not, I have to say that He disguises his "voice" better in MEFISTO than,...well, I forgot occasionally that I was reading a Harlan Ellison story. Honest. And finally, I confess that it's hard to avoid seeing where it's going -- remember, the "jaunting" concept was inspired by the late Alfie Bester (see also THE DEMOLISHED MAN). It's just the trip *to* the shithouse. Anybody else out there ever see the Hitchcock movie LIFEBOAT? Tallulah Bankhead, in one of her better films and performances, in the course of the movie, is stripped of everything that makes her who she thinks she is -- camera, typewriter, mink coat, diamond bracelet, even her last cigarette -- until there's nothing left but who she is, down underneath, without all the accoutrements. I think Rudy's case is a lot like that: friendship, trust, freedom, life & identity, all burned away, leaving only Rudy Pairis, who can grow and learn and live. Says me. As for PULLING HARD TIME -- first I wanted more, wanted resolution, wanted Good Guys to win. But that wasn't the story, that was what I wanted. The Good-o's didn't win, though, in the story, and while loading the dishwasher, I casually wondered how long that memory loop ran -- maybe thirty seconds, at a generous estimate? Hmm. How many 30-second intervals are there in a year,...? I did math, and thought about looking at my worst nightmare 1.5 million consecutive times per year, unbroken by bothersome waking life. My sphincter still ripples at the thought of it. 'Cause whatever my conscious mind can cook up, my dream mind puts it in the shade. That's why I think PULLING is a terrific story -- the implications followed me home and beat me up; also I can't visualize the warden without thinking of Tommy Lee Jones in NATURAL BORN KILLERS. I've run-down. Oh, JAKE BARNS -- I think what he means is that Ellison is dealing more in isnister, whispered suggestions these days, than in the stentorian oratory of other days. I think. Keegan -- write me. Hugs, yourself, and luv ya 2! Cheers, Doc

Phillip <phillip@cs.mun.ca>
- Saturday November 8 1997 16:34:38

Okay, I looked it up. HE said, "I don't think I've ever written any better than MEFISTO IN ONYX or 'Pulling Hard Time' from Dream Corridor #3." So I said, okay then, let's take another look at those two stories. And guess what? I don't agree with HE, but I definitely see what he is saying. Both of the above are very well written. The stories themselves aren't the greatest (they're too gimmicky and SF for my tastes; "Jeffty is Five" is more up my alley), but writing is about as good as HE gets. It's the stories that fall a little short for me. Reading "Pulling Hard Time" from the comic with the illustration didn't help---read the SLIPPAGE edition; the original illustration is more of hinderance than anything else. Having read the SLIPPAGE edition and imagined the scenes myself, the story came together for me. It was good read, as was "Mefisto in Onyx." I'd read them both for the energy in the writing---that's what carries you along. The stories aren't that great, but the writing, as Harlan said, is some of the best he's ever pulled off. I'd still recommend "Jeffty is Five" or "Ernest and the Machine God" before either of them though.

keegan
- Saturday November 8 1997 15:53:23

Aha! All of a sudden, "Lingering Smell of Woodsmoke" comes back. Yes, at the time, it got me. Perhaps my problem is that I avoid thinking at all. Perhaps my mind really is too puny to handle the truth. I retreat until my ignorance is purged.

keegan
- Saturday November 8 1997 15:47:38

Doc, I'm so lame with mail of the e or snail varieties. Luesse knows. It isn't for lack of thinking about you (or her---or anyone for that matter). It's just, well, I dunno. It's life. The real life is crazy and contorted. The cyber life has taken a turn toward my true love---jazz. I check in here, though, to see what's up. Honestly, I think DTS is trying to make nice. I didn't hear him in the same tone of voice as you from the beginning (but again, that could be my short attention span when it comes to reading the written word). Anyway, if a hug helps, I'm sending one your way, good Doc. We all luv ya. What's the argument about, anyway? I'm having a hard time decoding the debate here. Is the question whether one can be a fan and audience to HE's writing and *not* think that he's infallible? I say yes. HE's a flesh and blood, mortal, writer.Is HE wrong to maintain that everything he writes is masterful?(and I know I'm exaggerating---he does have a modicum of humility and I don't think he *ever* said *everything* he writes is a gem) Well, the artist *has* to believe in what he's doing. Otherwise, why bother. The audience? Well, they have to deide if they can buy it. One or two clams a set doesn't ruin the whole performance,IMO, especially if you can get creative with those clams. Harlan's played some clams, sure, but he's also improvised some of the tastiest lines ever set to paper. Some of his stories stick with me, like "Ernest and the Machine God" (just the one that randomly came to mind---I can remember the whole story) and some just vanish and become something I once read. "The Lingering Smell of Woodsmoke" (which I have in one of the Dream Corridors, I think) just doesn't stick. I was neither particularly impressed nor disappointed. It was just a story to me. Perhaps it *was* brilliant and I'm just too ignorant to know it, but I rarely think of it. Other stories come to mind frequently though. Does this make any sense? Does anybody give a sh**? Probably not, but I'm here and bored and what the hey??? Luv you all.

DTS <None>
- Saturday November 8 1997 14:36:52

It's me (the almost but not quite gone), DTS. I'm the one Doc's referring to below. I agree with Doc (see? We can get along), in that I hope no one was offended by our taking up a bit of room to have a breif interchange of words (but not by the act, cause that would be too PC, and I'm trying to avoid that nowadyas). Doc: lighten up, it's only cyberspace. You're taking all this (and perhaps yourself?) a bit too seriously! (by the way, thanks for pointing out that the essay was published, in a different form before, even if the effort was a bit...er, um...pedantic). I don't know you personally, Doc, but you seem like an okay person, so don't let this get your garters twisted. Have some fun, reread "'Repent Harlequin!'..." or go out to the local religious temple and cough loudly during the boring parts of the sermon. This time I really am outta here, and I wish ALL of you folks a good holiday season and safe traveling if it's involved. Sincerely (really), DTS.

K. C. "Doc" Locke <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
San Francisco, California Earth - Saturday November 8 1997 14:17:59

Hmmm. Well. I guess masturbation isn't the only "touchy" subject. For some. Harumph. I'll understand, if anyone is hesitant to consider the observations of someone so clearly inattentive and over-sensative as I; but if my poor, feeble memory serves, that "new" essay, "Stealing Tomorrow," appeared in SLEEPLESS NIGHTS IN THE PROCRUSTEAN BED. I'm afraid I can't recall it's origins, but it was collected in that volume, which was edited by Marty Clark. In 1984. Thirteen or so years back. Perhaps by "new," someone may be thinking of geological time. New, in comparison with, say, the archeoptrix (which still, to me, sounds like a woman in high heels and a rubber skirt, bearing a whip, rather than a wingless bird with hairy feathers). Or, may-haps, the original essay (almost certainly published prior to its collection in 1984) has been rewritten or polished to a new luster by Mr. Ellison. Or maybe I'm not the only one who should pay attention. I'm just a dumb ol' foul-mouthed Okie, after all, and ordinarily, right about now, I'd say something along the lines of "Fuck off;" but courtesy is all important, these days, so I warmly and cheerfully invite someone (whom I will not enbarrass by mentioning even his initials) to "Please fuck off; and thank you for doing so expeditiously." As for the rest of the folks here at Webderland, whether Regulars or Visiting Guests, I'm sorry you had to see this vulgar display. I would have been more than happy to take the matter up privately, either in e-mail or through the Great Snail ('cause I, too, prefer to do actual writing/work on my trusty old typewriter, any one of the three), but I hadn't the option to do so. Thank you all for your saintly, god-like patience. I promise to do my utter-most to avoid involving myself in this sort of ugly scene in the future -- short of actually letting it go. Love and Kisses to almost all of you -- Doc

keegan
- Saturday November 8 1997 04:29:28

"C'mon, Harlan...". Sometimes, like with "Mephisto..." I can see the ending coming a mile away. Still, like a good storyteller, HE takes you on a ride with the performance. A storyteller may be telling the oldest most obvious story in the world, but the entertainment is in *how* he/she tells the story. Sometimes a story teller weaves a tale you've never heard and it brings you to those "epiphanies"---lights up a corner you hadn't thought to explore yet. Sometimes, though, a storyteller just tells that old standby and you marvel at their take on it...or zone out 'til the next story. I read Harlan that way. Some stories leave me going, "Wow. I think my life is changed". Some stories leave me puzzled. Still other stories make me say, "Yeah. I knew that, but what an eloquent way to put it." Just my two cents!

Jake Barnes
- Saturday November 8 1997 02:37:48

Eloquence in a glass rather than a pitcher?

DTS <None>
- Friday November 7 1997 22:41:18

FYI: even though I know lots of folks order by computer nowadays, if there's anyone out there like me (who doesn't communicate by computer that often, and therefore doesn't read meanings or such into messages typed on a system bereft of good old italics, you payin' attention Doc?), and who still uses the local bookstore, "'Repent Harlequin!' Said the Tick-Tock Man" (from Underwood Books, ISBN# 1-887424-35-0) is in the stores. And it's a gorgeous piece of work (for only $17.00!). From the typesetting (done in several different styles and colors) to the illustrations by Rick Berry. Even if you've got a copy of this story in some collection or other -- and most of you probably have -- you should rush out and get a copy of this book. It's beautiful. And the new essay by Ellison ("Stealing Tomorrow") is a nice, whimiscal little framing device. That's all. Till next time, never pompously, sometimes pedantically, but always (pay close attention Doc, cause now I AM living up to your charges) politely, yours. Wishing all you folks (it's early, but I'm gone for awhile, and besides the Harlequin would approve) a safe Thanksgiving holiday, DTS.

Phillip
- Friday November 7 1997 18:16:39

I guess that quote didn't come through. It was basically this: "Come ON Harlan... you can do better than that."

Phillip <phillip@cs.mun.ca>
- Friday November 7 1997 18:15:05

To quote what Sue just said: > And that's the reaction I have (if I have any reaction at all) from most of Harlan's stories nowadays. I'm presently reading "Meisto in Onyx" for the 3rd or 4th time since it was first pulbished several years ago, and I'm loving it---there's a flow to it that pulls you along for the ride. A really strong voice. Excellent, excellent, excellent stuff. But the storyline is deja-vu---I can remember from the last times I read it, "Okay, I know what's going to happen next." The writing is strong, but story doesn't hold any surprises for me. It's not necessary for a story to surprise me every step of the way, but I'm sure that what happened the last few times I read it will happen this time (I can see it coming): I'll be whipping through the last quarter of it just to get it over with.

Sue Luesse <SueLuesse@rocketmail.com>
my 2 cents.., for what it's worth with inflation and all - Friday November 7 1997 16:50:54

Hhhmmm - interesting discussion about "Lingering Scent of Woodsmoke" - or should I say interesting debate over whether *every* published HE work is, or even should, be a *gem*.. I am firmly of the opinion that there is no such thing as consistant excellence.. Humans have down days. It shows in what they do. I don't see that as even being an issue - more like, a fact. That is the reason for editing - to weed out the least excellent.. I have never seen the logic of an artist knowing best which of their works best communicated to *me*. Seems *I* would know best which ones "spoke to me". "Lingering Scent of Woodsmoke" just didn't do it for me. It may be a technical masterpiece, but that is irrelevant to me as a reader. The premise of the was based on what I know to be an false assumption, rather than researched fact, which gave me the impression it was a hastily written, thrown-together sort of thing. It story struck me as an Apology for yuppie-type social agendas, rather shallow and contrived, a clever statement without substance - more like a morality play. So HE thinks it's a Masterpiece.. another false assumption on his part, if Masterpiece includes conveying something of substance to the reader. It didn't "reach" me - just made me scrinch up my mouth mutterring "Come ON Harlan.. You can do better than that". I think this one is right up there on my Least Favorite Ellison Story List. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

Adam Webb <Oasisbites@aol.com>
Buffalo Grove, IL USA - Friday November 7 1997 02:24:32

The following has nothing to do with Harlan (I'm sorry) but as a HE fan I figure I can get away with directing your attention to a very cool and completely pointless site that I found: http://smeg.com/backwards/ just check it out... it's harmless... it's pointless... you'll love it (if you wanna bitch about me taking up space on the board, don't be a hypocrite, e-mail it to me, don't stick it on the board itself(

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Thursday November 6 1997 22:53:43

Ahem, yes, well -- I must confide that I am familiar with the short-short as a prose form. If I gave the impression that I was dissatisfied with SLIPPAGE, then I must have misspoke myself. I like SLIPPAGE lots. They are, if not 100% HE's *best* work, they are certainly his *sneakiest* work to date. That directive in the introduction to PAY ATTENTION is not for nought. I read and re-read, with an ever-growing case of the Wows. But I don't think every story is a flawless gem. Even though "Woodsmoke" left (and leaves) me utterly non-plussed, it is the ONLY story in the collection to do so. I have a few little complaints, mostly minor and/or matters of personal taste (I refuse to even attempt to wear the brains of the reading public), and those will all be made clear when I have the remainder of Unca Harlan's comments and finish the revisions. The epiphany I spoke of refers to the protagonist in "Anywhere But Here,...", and as much as I like everything else about that story, it needs another sentence or two, certainly no more than that. And I suddenly wonder why I feel compelled to justify my remarks -- I'm not sure, either, that I approve of my remarks being used to set the stage for pompous pedantry; I am *absolutely* certain, however, of how I feel about being talked-down-to, and this doesn't need to happen some more. Cheers -- Doc

DTS <None>
- Thursday November 6 1997 15:39:37

Sorry about the double-shot (got an error, and I automatically hit resend without backing out and checking the board first). By the way, the quote from Howe should read "the short short," not short story. That's all. DTS.

DTS <None>
- Thursday November 6 1997 15:33:38

Doc & Phillip: Maybe your dissatisfaction (with Slippage) lies with your trying too hard to look for epiphanies in many of the new stories, or with comparing them to the structure of earlier work from the seventies and eighties. Many of Ellison's newer tales seem to be of (what I like to think of as) the "Borgesian variety." Short, sharp, edgy. Eloquence in a glass rather than a pitcher. And the form of this sort of story (what is sometimes referred to as the short-short story) makes other demands upon the writer. As Irving Howe (editor of SHORT SHORTS, an anthology of the shortest stories) put it, " in the short story the very idea of character seems to lose its significance, seems in fact to drop out of sight. We see human figures in a momentary flash. We see them in archetypal climazes which define their mode of existence. Situation tends to replace character, representative condition to replace individuality." Franz Kafka, Jorge Luise Borges, James Thurber, Luisa Valenzuela (whose "Strange Things Happen Here," among others, is highly recommended), and yes, Harlan Ellison are a few of the writers who can successfully operate in this form (which lies somewhere between the short story and the lyric poem). It's not for everybody. But that doesn't mean that stories of this sort are any less admirable than tales the length of "A Boy and His Dog" or "Paladin of the Lost Hour." They are just a different sort of literary food. Some palates may find them as satisfactory as the short story, novella or novel -- others may not. So it goes. As to the story mentioned in Doc's note ("The Lingering Scent of Woodsmoke,") I thought it was nicely done, and the message I took away from it (and this is just my perception, something which will, and should, differ with each reader according to his or her life experience and outlook) is that even with the mass destruction and unbelievable forms of violence we humans are capable of committing upon each other (the Holocaust, the Inquisition, etc.), it is nothing compared to what we can do when our destructive energies are focused on providing for our me-first, whats-in-it-for-me outlook in life. Hundreds of species (animals, fish, plants, amphibians, you name it) have been rendered extinct, and the rainforests are beind wiped out by the tens of thousands of acres per day. All in the name of humanity, and providing for our needs right now, at the cheapest cost to whatever corporation or country is behind the destruction (and behind them, the "little people" who willingly turn their heads, justifying the destruction with a million and one excuses). Which is a long-winded way of saying that I thought "The Lingering Scent of Woodsmoke" was a terrific little tale which managed to bring up the Holocaust, and to show that not only Jews (but all nationalities) were affected, and that man's penchant for destruction reaches far beyond himself...A long-winded point, I know. And, as I said, one derived strictly from my own perception (at least where the environmental angle is concerned). But maybe the information about short-shorts will help. You know, Ellison recently came out with a whole book of brand new short-short stories which (in my opinion, again) is loaded with masterpieces. MINDFIELDS. Besides "Darkness Falls On the River," "Twilight In the Cupboard," "Between Heaven and Hell," and "Fever," there are at least two dozen other great, original short-shorts in that book which went unrecognized because it was published with illustrations (and thus largely ignored by the literati) and because most folks and critics who read fantastic fiction automatically assume that any collection by Ellison is full of stories that have been published elsewhere. If some of you folks out there haven't bought it, pick up a copy (only $20, which is cheap considering the beautiful artwork included). It's one of Ellison's best collections, right up there with "Love Ain't Nothing...," "The Beast That Shouted Love," "Deathbird Stories," "Shatterday," "Strange Wine," "Stalking the Nightmare," "Angry Candy," and, yes, "Slippage." That's my forty-nine cents. I'm outta here, DTS.

DTS <None>
- Thursday November 6 1997 15:32:59

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Thursday November 6 1997 08:31:32

PHILLIP -- In some cases, I have to agree with you, most pointedly in the case of THE LINGERING SCENT OF WOODSMOKE. I have a *really* hard time conceiving that as HE's best work. Meanwhile, with further digestion, I have to agree on some of them. CHATTING WITH ANUBIS has a sort of unearthly quality to it, and a few elegant suggestions that really give me the willies. [And stop smirking behind your hand, gremlin!] My only twitch is that bit about writing it in Yin -- why? PULLING HARD TIME keeps me pacing the floor with a terrible case of the creeps, largely because that technology (not the null-g, but the VR endless-loop nightmare) is not so far from our grasp, and there are plenty of people (who I will not designate, but only say that they cannot befound on the left side of the chicken and are not suited to flight), with enough imagination to find that sort of set-up very appealing in a punitive sense, but insufficient sense to think it through to Harlan's terrifying conclusion. I, too, enjoyed MEFISTO IN ONYX -- is it a masterpiece? I think you have to look at what it says, beyond "plot" and whether the end is a big suprise because it ain't about who-dunnit at all. The important part is about rebirth and taking responsibility for making your life. I am very smart -- trust me -- even if I *am* over 30 (slightly). SENSIBLE CITY had a few suprises too, after I had my thunderclap revelation (now THAT'S an EPIPHANY). Had/Have a couple problems with ANYWHERE BUT HERE (and BOY is Harlan aware of them,...), and a few of the others. But does that mean he's not working as hard as he once did? Don't know -- maybe he's just trying new angles. I can tell you, HE seems to be relying less on teeth and claws and more on quiet little knives. Don't I just go on? I'll fire some things to you by e-mail. Maybe I missed it, but what does anyone else think of WOODSMOKE? In fact, the better to start a fight, my dears, what is everyone's least favorite story in SLIPPAGE? Or least favorite, period; and why? THIS should get me in trouble. Cheers, Doc

Phillip <phillip@cs.mun.ca>
- Wednesday November 5 1997 16:06:09

DOC --- yes, I have had the chance to read what you sent me, but I haven't had time to comment on it yet. This is the first time I've checked of Webderland is a long time and there's a similar trend developing with my e-mail -- I'm just not keeping up. I have other things taking up my time. I don't have a computer in my house anymore, so my access is limited. But I will be get back to you, maybe even this week (I have a little break coming up). I can tell you what SLIPPAGE stories were inspired by the DC comics too (a fair number, something like 6 or 7, of the stories in SLIPPAGE were taken from the comics). I've heard HE say that he considers some of the stories from the DC to be some of his best writing. Which is says a lot about HE and his idea of good story---not exactly the same as mine. I like HE's writing and I admired it and all that good stuff, but there's a signifcant portion of it that just doesn't do anything for me---a specific kind of story HE writes. And apparently HE thinks this is some of the best he's ever written. I've read the DC stories several times, and although they're okay (some of them are a waste of time), I wouldn't call any of them great or the best HE's ever done (as I've heard HE say). That's my general impression of SLIPPAGE too. I don't think "Mefisto in Onyx" is a masterpiece. I enjoyed the voice it was written in, but after awhile it kinda bogged down, and I although the story was cool, about halfway through it I knew exactly how it was going to turn out right to the very last paragraph, completely predictable. There's a lot of good things to say about the story, and HE as a writer, but overall, I find his older works such as SHATTERDAY, LOVE AIN'T NOTHING, and STRANGE WINE more readable and enjoyable, more compelling, written with a clarity of voice and a flow which is not present is most of his more recent works, and some damn good story telling too. I think HE has the energy to create some fantastic fiction, but he must be spending that energy on other things besides writing short stories. Overall, the energy that he gives off in person and on tv, etc, isn't coming through in his output of short fiction. Too bad. He could really do some serious damage if he wanted to.

Scott Jennings <wirehead@webtoys.net>
Little Rock, - Wednesday November 5 1997 05:51:49

I was lucky enough to attend Yon Stalwart Maintainer's wedding. It was a very large, very elegant, very well attended wedding (did I mention large?) and only a few of us ingrates made fun of Rick. (To his credit he did seem to keep the trembling down in public.) Anyway, if you've ever seen Designing Women, that house they show in the opening credits is where he got married. There, now you can feel Connected.

DTS <None>
- Wednesday November 5 1997 01:57:09

FYI: For anyone who (like me) was unable to recieve any of the stations broadcasting Imagination THeatre's "Halloween Special" featuring "Wanted In Surgery" by Harlan Ellison, you can visit their website at www.transmediasf.com/imag/html or telephone them at (800) 229-7234 and get more information about ordering. The website provides ordering information (only $6.99 per CD). THere are a lot of other nifty episodes (from past broadcasts) available now. The Halloween broadcast probably wont be available for another 3-4 weeks. You can check the website from time to time until the episode number pops up on their schedule, or call the 800 number (I suggest the latter, because one of the gentlemen from transmedia said they are still working out licensing details, etc., with the SF channel, and if more people that call him, perhaps it will speed up negotiations -- the company is on the West coast, I believe, so most folks can still call him at night). That's all for now. Out here, DTS.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Tuesday November 4 1997 09:13:47

Yes, it all sounded pretty secretive. In e-mail swaps w/Wyatt, he casually mentioned pre-marriage freakiness, honeymoon plans, etc. As there had been nothing said here 'round the Bored, I figured "Silence is Foo!" But I'm glad he finally came out (with the wedding announcement, I mean!). SUE -- no, it's NOT just you, took me jolly-near more time to find the reviews page than it took to write the dratted review itself! I received that box of cookies, by the way (you sneaky little monkeys! What *large* cookies they is, too,...), and a "thank-you, Mask Man" is freshly typed and on the way. BARNEY -- there was something I was going to ask you; what was it? AH! What was the lady's name who did Harlan's bibliography in that F&SF appreciation issue, the one with "Jeffty" etc. Leslie Kay Sweigart, I think, but the spelling eludes me. ANYONE -- my Hallowe'en was horendous, didn't even get in with sufficient time to catch HE; so, how was it, nu? What was the story, this WANTED IN SURGERY? Feel free to e-mail me with The Poop. PHILLIP -- had a chance to look a that stuff yet? I hooked up with one of the locals who was able to sink cash into the ltd. ed.; took a look at "Pale Silver Dollar" mach II, and the "Nackles" material, might be persuaded to add reviews of the special Zeissing contents. Anyone else out there who thinks the "Nackles" piece would have been better served by a longer treatment? I know there were time considerations; I know it was a teevee segment; it was a terrific piece of scenarism -- it just seemed like a fragment; there wasn't enough of it, it didn't develop much of anything except that the guy (Podey?) was a flamin' prick, and I do not refer to a very hot needle. If there is some attentive individdle out there who could tell me A.) which of the stories in SLIPPAGE were inspired by HE'sDC(Q) cover-art, and B.) the names of the respective artists who perpetrated those nifties, it would get you special mention on my acknowledgements page; Just e-mail me the information and you will receive an extraordinarily grateful response; as SUE can tell you, I'm a dab-hand at that kind of thing,...>;} Must dash, my eyelids are growing heavy,...I am becoming drooooowsier and drooooowsier,... Cheers, Doc

INFOMAN <relative>
- Tuesday November 4 1997 05:49:34

Sunday Nov. 2nd, a story from the New York TImes News Service (syndicated, I believe) about derivative screenplays appeared with a large portion (near the end) devoted to Harlan Ellison. He was quoted as saying, "The downside of this for a writer is that if you choose to try and write original stuff, things that have not been done before, to break new ground, you are dealing with -- well, it's like tyring to read Voltaire to a cage of baboons. These people simply cannot grasp anything new." Very nicely put. (this has been another public service information break from...infoman).

Zach Griffin <kregon@iconn.net>
New Haven , CT USA - Thursday October 30 1997 00:49:29

Greetings, I found a magazine called "Ultra-Filmfax". The cover story is titled "Robert Culp, Harlan Ellison & The Outer Limits". In it, Culp and Ellison are talking about "Demon with a Glass Hand". The article also talks about Culp's other Outer Limits appearances. If you can get past the rather steep price for a magazine ($9.95), it's worth picking up.

Sue Luesse
- Tuesday October 28 1997 21:53:30

Thank you, *INFOMAN*, whoever you might be. I have had my full dose of humble for the day.. ;-)

Infoman <channel13>
- Monday October 27 1997 18:05:44

Sue: there are only 1 and a half reviews posted so far. Go to the "Biography" section, click on "booklist," then cursor down until you see highlighted titles. Can't miss 'em.

Sue Luesse
- Monday October 27 1997 17:23:37

*RICK* !! Well, geez - I guess you _can_ keep a secret.. ;-) .. *CONGRATULATIONS* Wish you both a long and happy life together. *KEEGAN* I am somewhat mystified by your Oct.14 reference.. OK, I am completely clueless... Can you give me a hint? ..oh, yeah.. and HAPPY BIRTHDAY! ... :-) ... Wow! All kinds of Special Events going on...that I am oblivious to... sighhhh.. *BARNEY* thanks for the confirmation and info on the Halloween HE thing.. I wonder if the kids would be offended if I didn't leave the PC to hand out candy? *giggle* I could leave a dish of treats at the door.... and three dogs in the yard... Only the strong get cavities.. I honestly thought about handing out toothbrushes this year. My sister, the Dentist, did that one year - and only had 4 takers - all with parents standing behind them.. And didn't have anyone come the year after, when she broke down and bought all the candy.. *ANYONE* Is it just me, or is it hard to find the reviews on Webderland?? If someone would be kind enough to point me at the right page, I will gladly read and deflate my ego with all the wonderful reviews mine will be compared to.. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
Capelle aan den IJssel, (just outside Rotterdam) The Netherlands - Monday October 27 1997 14:12:05

Rick: Glad to hear you're having a good time in my adopted-country! Sorry that the weather isn't a bit warmer though. Holland really looks its best in the summer. What other cities are you and your wife planning on visiting? Leiden (where I go to university) isn't too far by train, and is very old and charming (is where the Pilgrims spent a couple of years living between leaving England and arriving at Plymouth). Delft is nice too, and of course (personal bias here) Rotterdam is way cool with a mixture of modern architecture and classic (what was left after the bombardment) Dutch buildings. Have a great honeymoon!!

keegan
- Sunday October 26 1997 03:28:41

Uh-huh. Just as I suspected! Swing hard baby and many, many moons of happiness to you and your lovely bride! Ah, the bowers of youth! How I wish I wuz where you is right now!! Somebody, hook me up with a gig in Holland, huh???? -/;>) (Oh, and Shaz: hi! and thanks for fixing my spelling. I looked at the title and sure enough. Ooops. Great book, though.) 'Night all!

Rick Wyatt <webmaster@harlanellison.com>
- Saturday October 25 1997 16:05:55

Well, Rick is logging in from Amsterdam, that's what's up! Planning on getting baked and spending a leisurely afternoon at the Van Gogh museum tomorrow. Great Honeymoon, eh wot? You guys hold down the fort in my absence, and try not to overwhelm diogenes@menagerie.net, who is managing Webderland for the nonce, with requests...thanx!

Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Saturday October 25 1997 05:43:26

Would anyone happen to know when the Edgeworks trade paperbacks will be coming out? On a totally different thread, I'm rather down in the mouth: I just found out that I was in the top four candidates for what was to be a dream job at the Philadelphia Orchestra -- problem is, they only called the top *three* back in for a third interview. I must say that they were kind to have let me know as soon as the decision was made but ... Anyone know of a job in Philly for a helluva manager/proofreader/customer service rep/jack of a whole lot of trades? :� Ah, well. Be good, people!

Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
The Netherlands - Friday October 24 1997 22:09:45

Keegan: Great book (Le Morte d'Arthur)! I remember that reading it was one of the literary highlights in my senior (high school) English class. I had this gem of a senior English teacher who had us read Le Morte, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Beowulf (modern English version ;), and Canterbury Tales (modern English version). Now I'm re-reading/studying Canterbury Tales in it's original Middle English form at university. It's great! Looks like we have something else in common--I'm also expecting more Ellison books (among others) for Christmas. I have introduced my mother, who's still in Texas, to the concept of Amazon.com and international shipping without the hassle of doing it yourself. Since money is tight with my university fees, my mother's drive for sending a "care package" of books to me is my only way to receive "wish-fulfillment" books (i.e. books not required by any specific course I am taking).

keegan
- Friday October 24 1997 02:07:04

Whoa! Today is October 23, 1997, my 32nd birthday. I've had a nice day. I check in frequently but don't remember seeing Sue around october 14, and Barney tomorrow (??!!) Talk about fodder for spinning tales at the frayed edges of reality! I'm alive and lurking. I spend a lot of time on jazz BBS's now. It's a good cyberhang. I listen to a lot of records. I'm working really hard at jazz now. I worked a nice jazz festival this fall and people are interested in what I'm doing. I'm teaching still and up for tenure. I'm paying the mortgage. I don't have tee-vee anymore (can't afford it). Working Halloween (11-1; formal dress of all things! Ballet fundraiser.) Taking the day off and meeting my kid at his school for lunch tomorrow. I finished Edgeworks 2 and will probably receive more Ellison for Christmas. I'm reading "La Morte D'Arthur" and Mel Torme's "My Singing Teachers" right now. I have become reacquainted with my local library. I'm glad to see all your mugs just checkin' in. Rick? What up? I've got a good idea .... -/;>) Love!

Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Friday October 24 1997 00:57:03

The posting below is correct. Harlan has updated his play/production of "Wanted In Surgery" based on a story of his from the late 1950's. He'll be the main character in this production co-sponsored by The S**-F* Channel and the Museum of Radio and Television Broadcasting on Manhattan. The show is actually three half-hour segments. Past/Present/Future theme and Harlan will be the third. Check the website for further info. on the broadcast. http:www//scifi.com/pulp/set/halloween/ When I spoke to Harlan yesterday Harlan said he would be doing some in-store stock signings at Tower books and records and [he thought] Borders. If this is of interest to anybody I'd call Houghton Mifflin as Harlan himself had not been given a schedule. He seemed in good spirits and was pretty stoked about the live radio gig. Harlan is scheduled to do DragonCon in Atlanta next year. If anybodys going to be on Manhattan Friday night drop me a line. And remember to kill your television. Later...

Bill Dennis <wjdennis@inconnect.com>
Salt Drake City, UT - Tuesday October 21 1997 15:55:33

In the October/November issue of Asimov's science fiction magazine, Norman Spirand has written a column about the history of the fantasy genre. Spirand spends nearly a full page talking about Harlan in the early 1960's and basically giving HE the credit for inventing Modern Fantasy. A good read if you can get your hands on a copy of the zine. -- Billy D.

Infoman <aintgotahome>
- Tuesday October 14 1997 18:31:51

The Science Fiction channel Online (Dominion) has email going out that says they are going to that Harlan Ellison will give a live, audio performance (story reading?) on Halloween. Not sure it that's 100 percent guaranteed, but I thought you folks out there might want to be in the know -- just in case.

Sue Luesse
- Sunday October 12 1997 03:32:50

OK, OK, already.. I'm still hanging around. We've been on/off/on-again-line the past few weeks as we set up with the new PC.. That's right - His and Hers!! (Guess who nagged and got the new one).. :-) .. We networked them together, so we could talk to each other - since we also have his and hers 'puter rooms now. It took us some time to get the whole thing put together and configured correctly. I think I have learned more about computers in the last month than I _ever_ wanted to.. Now that I am safely ensconced back in virtual reality, I have returned to being hard at work on that review. I had a "stalling" problem with it. First, the arrival of Slippage left the book being reviewed gathering dust as I wallowed in the glory of *new* Ellison. Sure enjoyed Slippage. Lot's of good stuff to think about, and more laughs than I expected. There was also the *little* matter of Hubby getting a part in the Univ. of Mich. Gilbert & Sullivan production of "Princess Ida". This has meant many hours of rehearsal for him, and cast parties for us both. :-) Yaknow, there's a lot to be said for being a coat-tailer.. And, of course, there was the biking. It's always hard to give up any opportunity to ride once the season starts to wind down, and you don't know when your next ride will be. Though we shouldn't complain - the weather has been very good for a looong time now. Good to see so many of the regulars again. :-) *DOC* you have not been forsaken.. left tapping your foot at the door while I am busy in the bathroom maybe.. but *never* forgotten.. *BARNEY* WOW!! How lucky can a guy get? First Plainesville, and then the Carribean! well... The Carribean!! .. ;-) .. You gonna send me a postcard?? To gloat, if nothing else?? (hey, *I* would - if I ever went anywhere that COOL) And sincere best wishes that you find all you are looking for to complete your collection (research??). *ALL* I promise, I will start at least lurking on a regular basis from now on. hee hee Any excuse to use the new PC.. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

DTS <None>
- Saturday October 11 1997 01:59:31

Doc: thanks -- DTS.

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
- Saturday October 11 1997 01:04:44

Eureka! (Greek for "My bath is too hot!") In the words of a perfectly hateful, kitchy pumper sticker, "I Found It." Referring to DTS's review. Nice, Mate! We seem to be thinking along similar lines. *SUE* Doncha love no mo'? *BARNEY* you're going WHERE for Thanksgiving?!? Well, I guess it's okay, if you like sun-drenched beaches and like that,...Gotsta run. Cheers, Doc

Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, - Friday October 10 1997 04:46:06

Not much going on here. Getting ready to go to the British Virgin Islands for Thanksgiving. And boy, will I be thankful! Then there's some holiday ritual thingee in December and with luck January or February I'll be doing a preliminary run thru Painesville. Only I would go TO Painesville. I've been reading histories of Ohio and they tend to be reportage of people getting their shit together and leaving Ohio. Thomas Edison, etc. Springsteen ought to have been from there. Leaving is a sport! On the other hand, I've come by some fairly detailed Painesville data and photos considering i'm doing my homework long distance. If anybody has Painesville info. [ie. local history, WPA photos, Centennial work, etc.] please get in touch. Still need a phone book. Best wishes and warm regards, Barney Dannelke

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Thursday October 9 1997 22:13:36

DTS -- Just went a-skimming through my old e-mail correspondence. Not to worry. Seem to recall Rick mentioning a general review/overview you'd written. I'm doing the story-by-story thing, which should go a long way toward explaining why my little eyes rolled up into my head like that. Where is yours posted? I'd be interested in seeing it. If you show me yours, I'll,....um, I'll read it, and you can see mine as soon as it gets filtered through HE and Rick and gets posted. Speaking of which **SUE** had a chance to look at your birthday peasants yet? E-mail, bubbeh -- sure would like to know what you think (about anything, but especially about this). ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE? Barney? Bill? Keegan? Hellooooo,...Cheers, Doc

DTS <None>
- Wednesday October 8 1997 13:55:51

Hey Doc, don't sweat it. As I said, there's always room for more than one opinion (especially around this site!). And if nothing else, I'm willing to let Rick remove my review and put yours there in its stead. I already had my say elsewhere. You and Rick can work it out. Sanguinely, DTS.

Doc Locke <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Wednesday October 8 1997 05:32:58

DTS -- So? Nu? This is a pleasant shock. I dunno -- perhaps we ought to take the matter up with yonder webmeister? Because I have finished the review, and am just getting it onto disk for transmission. As Mr. Ellison has requested a peep at the material, I don't think I should just save m'self some keyboarding (which I still call "typing"). I've already posted the first batch to HE. But I'll look around Webderland, see what's posted where. Yours Sweatily, Doc

DTS <None>
- Tuesday October 7 1997 04:13:24

Doc: this isn't posted in the interest of self-interest, but only to maybe save you any unnecessary keyboard work. Is Rick soliciting two or more reviews for the various Ellison titles? (cause if he is, I think that's great, and as far as I'm concerned the more opinions, the merrier, really). Anyway the reason I ask is because, well...er, um...Rick already took one (a review of Slippage , that is) from me and posted it. If he's using more than one per title, than nevermind -- ignore this posting. But if not, you might have some wires crossed and be typing out words in vain. I'll be quiet now -- DTS.

Doc Locke <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
San Francisco, CA - Tuesday October 7 1997 02:28:41

Hi-ho, and Good Evening, Music-Lovers. **INFO-MAN** Thanks so much for the tip about that SLIPPAGE "review"/diatribe. I thought about starting an electro-fight with that simpleton, but what's the point? I think he does a SPLENDID job of proving Harlan's point -- such pinheads truly don't give a rat's ass, and they huff-up all defensive when called on the carpet about their apathy and "hip disdain." Screw that techno-brat. It's clear that he ignored (or missed completely?) our Fearless Leader's recommendation to PAY ATTENTION. And how he makes the leap from "Mefisto,..." to "I Have No Mouth,..." is as far from me s debt-free living. This guy, to anyone who has a clue what Ellison or critiques are all about, is going to be as admired as a mohel with palsy. The good news is I've almost finished getting *my* review of SLIPPAGE onto disk. As soon as I get the high-sign from the Maestro, I'll zap it to Rick. Then we shall see what we shall see. Gotta run. Muchas Smooches, Doc

DTS <None>
- Sunday October 5 1997 03:49:32

Because I know you regulars are always seeking to expand the horizons of your knowledge, this recommendation from my latest bit of reading: run, don't walk, to your local bookstore and pickup a copy of VISIONS (How Science will revolutionize the 21st Century) by Michio Kaku (Anchor Books, ISBN # 0-385-48498-4). This book is, in my humble opinion, one of the most important books on science in the past five years (I also count THE DEMON-HAUNTED WORLD by Carl Sagan and THE ILLUSTRATED BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME among that select group). Prof. Kaku gives the reader a complete overview of burgeoning technology: the quantum revolution, the biomolecular revolution, and the computer revolution. Making use of his fellow scientists (physicists and otherwise) he lays out a reasonable map of what we can expect. And he does it in a way that laypersons (such as myself) can understand (a not so inconsiderable feat, given that the great explainers, Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov are no longer with us). It's a great book, and an indispensable guide to our looming future. Buy one quickly!! -- DTS.

Info-man <fasterthanaspeedingelectron >
- Thursday October 2 1997 20:05:22

Hey Everyone! If you haven't done so already, checkout the following site: (www.sfsite.com/) They have several differnt sections dealing with new releases, interviews, etc. And in the reviews section (on page: www.sfsite.com/sep97b/slip17.htm) there is a "review" (that's what they listed it as, but I wouldn't term it that) of SLIPPAGE. The pseudo-reviewer is someone who goes by the name of Thomas Myer and claims to be a technical writer (age 26), although if he has as difficult a time getting to the point in his tech writings as he does in the "review," I'd bet there are a lot of confused computer/net users out there. Basically, the guy wrote about two paragraphs of what he probably thought passed for critical analysis of Ellison's writing (ending by saying that "Mefisto In Onyx" is exactly the same as "I Have No Mouth..."). Then he proceeds to rant about Ellison's avoidance of technology and how Ellison is always putting down younger people. for lack of intelligence. The guy is a real moron. Anyway, some of you guys (who have email) might want to check it out and fire off a note to the jamook. (I haven't got easy access, otherwise I'd be first in line). His address (myerman@athesit.com) is available on the page with the review. Of course, ignoring it would also work...that's all for now. I'm off to fight for truth, justice, and the Ellison way...Hiyo Silver! (ta-poketa,ta-poketa, ta-poketa).

Phillip <phillip@cs.mun.ca>
- Wednesday October 1 1997 14:46:16

There may be references by other authors to EXTRAORDINARY POPLULAR DELUSIONS, but the specific reference I'm looking for is the one by HE (or possiblly, although I don't even look in his direction anymore, in Stephen King's DANSE MACBRE). There's something in the reference that made me want to immediately go out and by the book, something I specially, at the time anyway, wanted to look up. Now that I've found the book, I can't remember what it is that made me want to buy it in the first place except that I was pretty sure it was recommended by HE. The reference wasn't made in the HORNBOOK or SLEEPLESS NIGHTS, or any of the first 3 EDGEWORKS books. I have followed up on other HE recommendations (e.g. Gerald Kersh) and so far so good. There was something specific, I think, from EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS that HE said, "Hey, take a look at this."

Steven <yalzton@aol.com>
Lindenhurst, NY USA - Wednesday October 1 1997 02:43:08

Philip, about that book "...the madness of crowds", I'm not sure if it is in an Ellison book, but I do recall a reference to it from Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World".

Harlan Ellison (via Rick Wyatt) <webmaster@harlanellison.com>
Changing fast..., - Monday September 29 1997 23:23:29

Harlan has a major request for you guys - he needs a copy of the second edition of the Science Fiction Book Club edition of I, ROBOT: THE ILLUSTRATED SCREENPLAY. Information can be found on the news page, http://harlanellison.com/ellinews.htm

Seriously <Cantbelieveit >
- Monday September 29 1997 12:39:03

Phillip: You're kidding right?

Phillip <phillip@cs.mun.ca>
- Monday September 29 1997 12:30:08

There's a book called EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS AND THE MADNESS OF CROWDS by Charles Mackay, orignally published in 1841. I had it on my list of "books to get" for years and then I lost the list and forgot about the book until I saw it in a bookstore the other day and finally bought it. The reason (I think) I originally had the book on my list: I read about it in one of Harlan's intros or essays, but I can't remember where. Now if it wasn't in one of HE's essays, then it would have been from Stephen King's DANSE MACABRE---I can't remember which. I don't have a copy of DANSE MACABRE anymore and I have so many HE books to look through, it would take me forever find the reference. So does can anyone tell me if it's from SK or HE? And if it's from HE, where can I find it? Thanks.

Mickey <No fixed address>
- Friday September 26 1997 22:10:24

Sorry no transcript, although great story about the time HE was visited by the secret service Also Tom has really got to do a better job of screening callers, the three times I've watched him on Snyder, he's had a guy who mumbled about technology for 5 minutes, a guy who tried to tell he he was ignoring the facts about ufo's (can we say death wish ladies and germs?) and the most recent guy asked about if HE was going to do anything similar to Dangerous Visions, (Also a death wish, but the guy seemed so sincere I think HE just chalked it up to ignorance) Unfortunately I wasn't home so I couldn't call in, but them's the breaks.

Aaron Cogan <aaronc@rtcgroup.com>
San Juan Capistrano, CA Good Ol' US of A - Friday September 26 1997 22:05:58

On Sept. 20, J. wrote, "Their is a fine line between fearlessness and stupidity." Not to be too much of a smart ass, but that shouuld be "There" not "Their."

SwC <schappel@erols.com>
South Jersey - Friday September 26 1997 12:51:38

If anyone's interested and reads comics, HE got a credit as an editor in Strangers in Paradise #9, which hit the shelves yesterday. It's a good read, and you can see where Ellison might have had some influence in the prose parts.

Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Deep , In The Doldrums USA - Friday September 26 1997 05:36:05

Due to *two* flat tires and a broken jack, I managed to miss all but the last five minutes of the Tom Snyder show with HE. Anyone have a transcript?

Another guy <West of N.J.>
- Friday September 26 1997 00:23:38

For the unidentified New Jersey person with the Enquiring Mind: In a nutshell, Shirley, while still a neophyte writer full of vinegar and piss, once wrote to a magazine (I forget which) that he could out-write Ellison; he even publicly challenged him to a writing contest (this was all spurred by bad rumors, too many drugs and too much testosterone on Shirley's part). Ellison promptly dressed him down in public, and has since regarded him with indifference. Later, Shirley wrote an open letter to "Midnight Grafitti" magazine (after an Ellison story appeared), expressing his regret at the earlier altercation. His letter gained a reply from Ellison (who, not so coincidentally, was a writer in residence at the Clarion workshop that Shirley first attended). There. Another out of control rumor laid to rest. Courtesy of...the Shadow.

Some guy
in central, NJ US - Thursday September 25 1997 07:46:37

I understand that Harlan Ellison & pioneer cyberPUNK writer John Shirley have a hate-hate relationship. Can anyone elaborate on this? Are they both just too obnoxious and outspoken* for each other? *Understand that this is not necessarily an insult towards either writer.

Rick Wyatt <webmaster@harlanellison.com>
- Tuesday September 23 1997 20:24:48

Harlan Ellison will be on "Life & Times" Tuesday night the 23rd at 7:30 PM on KCET, the local Los Angeles PBS station. (Sometimes the show airs statewide, but I think on Tuesdays it's only on in L.A.)

Ed Klopeck
- Saturday September 20 1997 19:29:47

I always wondered what Ellison thought of Blade Runner. They certainly deviated from Dick's book alot. I liked the result though, very stylish and film noir, though somewhat shallow.

J. Wunder
- Saturday September 20 1997 19:17:13

Their is a fine line between fearlessness and stupidity.

Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Friday September 19 1997 21:32:44

***SUE*** Your no help. gotta go.

Sue Luesse
- Friday September 19 1997 19:39:11

*DOC* How WONDERFUL!! Shook your hand and everything! {Hope you didn't have sweaty palms.. ;-) ..} And congratulations on that sale, too.. *BARNEY* A phonebook from Plainesville, OH from what year?? Didn't they all get hung up in the outhouse the following year?? That could be a Very Rare item... *giggle* Hope all is well with the whole gang. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe

Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Friday September 19 1997 03:54:13

**DOC** Glad you had a good time. I've heard him do the "Prince Myshkin" thing a couple of times and it's sort of become another stunt. I wish he'd do it slow [or half-speed] just once. It would still be funny as hell and he wouldn't be steamrolling over his own work. Thanks to the previous poster for the ISBN #. That will save me some time. Amazon.com books and Previews [Diamond catalog] are listing the regular and lmtd. editions of "Repent, Harlequin! Said the Ticktockman: The Classic Story" [or RHSTTTCS for short] as being available in October. Amazon has the $17.00 ed. for $11.90 [isbn#1887424350] and the lmtd. ed. [isbn#1887424369] for $60.00 with no discount. Diamond also listed the lmtd. ed of "Dream Corridor Volume 1." [Dark Horse/no isbn given] for Oct./Nov. Harlan said there would be a HERC discount avalable for the last one mentioned in the next mailing. I think Amazon will have the best price regardless on the regular ed. of RHSTTTCS. Finally, for those who lurk at alt.fan.harlan-ellison, the AOL interview from 9/17 is now available for download. ps. If anybody has OSU yearbooks from 1953-1958 please get in touch with me. I also need the Lakeside/Painesville phone directory and Ma Bell wants $50 plus postage. My library can't help. How does $20 sound. Take care. Barney

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
Tap City, USA - Thursday September 18 1997 07:36:21

Hey, gang. Well, I dood it. Finally got to meet the Maestro. He was looking good and in fine fettle. Alas, the same could not be said for Susan -- apparently, they'd gone to dinner the night before, someplace at Ghirardelli Square, and she got food poisoning! Ecch. HE pointed out that trips to SF are invariably hard on the both of them. In '92, he had a heart attack; the next time he was here, writing "Keyboard" in the window at Booksmith, he was suffering with shingles, and attended by Dr. Laurel and Dr. Hardy. They wrapped his leg (after lancing all the little soars) in Saran Wrap! Home, bedridden 3 weeks. Well -- he was in pretty fine spirits, fielding questions from the mob, and I thought for a second that we would all get through it without hearing from derf-dom. HA! Some elderly woman in the back asked "Have you given any thought to taking anger-management classes?" There was this hush -- like, people out on the *street* stopped for a second. No shtuss -- HE kind of shrugged and asked her, "In aid of what? I handle my anger very well -- sometimes other people have a problem with it, but that's *their* problem..." So he then did a reading of "Prince Mishkin, Hold The Relish." All in one breath. So help me. Terrific! Then, the signing. I sent regards from a couple people, and he was polite, but he really seemed to light up a little when I told him that I was able to come to the signing and buy his book because I'd finally got the check from my first professional sale. We ddn't really have time to mix on account of the line; and I didn't watch the interaction with ALL the others, but it seemed to me that I was the only one who got a handshake before I left,...Gotta go, it's late and my trazodone is kicking in. Cheers, Doc

DTS <None>
- Monday September 15 1997 19:00:34

FYI: the isbn # (for folks wanting to order it at their local bookstore) of "Screamplays" is 0-345-39429-1. The anthology of never-before-published tele and screenplays contains "Moonlighting" (adapted from "Ormand Always Pays His Bills") and "Killing Bernstein" (based on the story of the same name) by Harlan Ellison. It also includes stuff by Joe Lansdale, Ed Gorman, RIchard Matheson (the original, as written, screenplay of "Hell House"), Stephen King and Richard Laymon. With an intro by Dean Koontz. Just started reading it, and so far it's well worth the $14.50 investment. Great stuff! -- DTS

Doc <mesmeratronics@usa.net>
SF, CA - Saturday September 13 1997 08:09:38

Um...Hi. What I said before? Messages? Skip it. Forget I spoke. I'm not above leaning on accqaintances, so dropping a "Sue Luesse" here, a "Barney Dannelke" there, a splash of "Rick Wyatt at Webderland," etc., etc., should at least keep the skin on my *ss. You have something you want HE to know, he ain't hard to find. He's in the book. But be polite. Or else. There is a fine line between "fan-boy" and "admirer," and, to paraphrase Dr. Science, I briefly managed to erase that line. Well, I'm back now. Nothing for HE needs to be filtered through Yours Truly. And when you finish up here, go read a book. *AARON* great story! *EVERYONE ELSE* I should be starting anti-depressants Tuesday (appx. 24 hours *after* meeting Harlan at Booksmith; is that timing, or what?). Cheers, Doc

B. Aaron Cogan <aaronc@rtcgroup.com>
San Juan Capistrano, CA USA - Saturday September 13 1997 00:57:22

Although I run the risk of incurring HE's wrath...I just gotta pass this on. Last night, I drove up to W. Hollywood to see HE at Book Soup (cool store, heartily recommended.) HE was doing a reading/signing. Now, every Halloween, a gang of us gets together for costumed frivolity, food and games. Prizes run the gamut from an actual human rib bone (long story) to last year's grand prize, an autographed copy of "Servant of the Bones," by Anne Rice. Since I'm hosting the location this time, I thought I'd give "Slippage" signed by HE to the winner of our macabre themed Jeopardy knockoff. I wanted to tell HE that I'd seen him at Space-Con IV in 1977 (I was 12,) and his telling a room full of "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" fans that they had cotton between their ears & were dinning on pure pabulum was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. I wanted to ask him his impressions of Isaac Asimov (a distant relative of mine) and ask if he knew Freida Asimov, God rest her gentle, who had passed away the previous week. I wanted to ask him why comic books and speculative fiction are such maginalized media in this country, and what will it take to change that. And finally, since the very first HE I'd read, I wanted to know why "Blind bird, blind bird..." was in his collection "Love Ain't Nothing..." Was it an editor's choice, or his, and if his, how did it fit into the title. I asked none of this. I got tongue-tied. I couldn't even ask him to sign my name to the copy of "Stalking the Nightmare" I brought with me. I was so grateful when he seemed to read my mind and asked me if I wanted it personalized, that I (wince) spelt out my name, "Aaron." Not something I really needed to do, but am used to doing for people who otherwise write, "Erin." Hoo, boy. Now for the part HE'd probably never mention himself. There was a sweet, little lady just behind me, leaning on a cane. I'd seen her at the counter previous to our queuing up, trying to decide which book to buy for a signature. She had definite ideas about which it should be. Rather than keep her standing there, HE called her up to the head of the line. They spoke briefly and I caught bits of the conversation: "You probably don't remember..." "Yes I do, it was in San Francisco" And after he signed and she thanked, she turned back to him with a look and a stance that made me think she'd been thinking how to do this and she told him, "You saved my life once. I mean it; I'd hit rock bottom and the only thing that kept me going was something you'd written in one of your columns in the L.A. Weekly. HE looked honestly touched, maybe a little embarrassed and said, "I don't take compliments that well, but thank you very much." After she'd gone and the signing continued, HE asked us there at the table if we knew who she was. HE informed us that was none other than Maila Nurmi, the original Vampira! (You know, long nails, big of bosom, teeny-tiny of waist, "Plan 9 from Outer Space." THAT Vampira. Only in Hollyweird, I thought. Anyway, I just had to share this with people who might appreciate it. Maybe I'll get my questions out next time. But he did sign the grand prize for this year, "Boo! Harlan Ellison"

B. Aaron Cogan <aaronc@rtcgroup.com>
San Juan Capistrano, CA US of A - Friday September 12 1997 22:52:56

Although I run the risk of incurring HE's wrath...I just gotta pass this on. Last night, I drove up to W. Hollywood to see HE at Book Soup (cool store, heartily recommended.) HE was doing a reading/signing. Now every Halloween, a gang of us get together for costumed frivolity, food and games. Prizes run the gamut from an actual human rib bone (long story) to last year's grand prize, an autographed "Servant of the Bones" by Anne Rice. Since I'm hosting the party this year, I thought I'd give an autographed copy of "Slippage" to the winner of our Halloween-themed Jeopardy knockoff. I wanted to tell him that I'd seen him at Space-Con IV in 1977 (I was 12) and his telling a room full of "Star Trek" & "Star Wars" fans that they had cotton between their ears & were dinning on pure pabulum was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. I wanted to ask him his impressions of Isaac Asimov (a distant relative of mine) and ask if he knew Freida Asimov, God rest her gentle, who'd passed away the previous week. I wanted to ask him why comic books and speculative fiction were such marginalized media in this country, and what it would take to change that. And finally, since the very first HE I'd ever read, I wanted to know why "Blind bird, blind bird..." was in the collection "Love Ain't Nothing..." Was it an editor's choice, or his, and if his, how did it fit into the title. I asked none of this. I got tongue-tied. I couldn't even ask him to personalize my copy of "Stalking the Nightmare" and was so grateful when he seemed to read my mind and ask me if I did, I (wince) spelt out my name, "Aaron." Not something I really needed to do, but am used to doing for the people who'd otherwise write "Erin." Hoo, boy. Now for the part HE'd probably never mention himself. There was a sweet looking lady just behind me, leaning on a cane. I'd over heard her at the counter trying to decide what book to purchase for signature, and she had definite ideas about which it would be. Rather than let her keep standing there, HE called her up to the head of the line. They spoke briefly, I caught bits of the conversation: "You probably don't remember..." "Yes I do, it was in San Francisco." And after he signed and she thanked, she turned to him with a look and a stance that made me think she'd been thinking how to do this and she told him, "You saved my life once. I mean it, I'd hit rock bottom and the only thing that kept me going was something you'd written in one