DTS <None>
- Thursday August 7 1997 02:24:22
Charlie, FYI: pub. date is AUG. 20, so figure about a week
from then, if not sooner. That's it. I'm completely out of info,
so hold all questions until after Labor Day. G'night Gracie, DTS.
Charlie <cmalsam@aol.com>
- Wednesday August 6 1997 19:58:08
When does the trade of Slippage hit the stores?
DTS <None>
- Wednesday August 6 1997 13:25:47
Jeff, FYI: Books in Print and Amazon Books often list items
that were never published (for one reason or another). Amazon
even has a listing for Blood's A Rover, with a pub date and
publisher. But that book hasn't even been completed. So the
listing for the Savoy Book by Ellison is most likely erroneous.
--DTS
Jeff Wilson <wilson@teleweb.net>
Detroit, MI - Wednesday August 6 1997 02:39:56
Don't know how many people are aware of this, since I
haven't seen it on the Webderland page anywhere, but there is a
critical study of HE's works coming out in November. It's part of
the Twayne author's series, which does nice summaries of authors
without getting into too much heavy literary theory. It
definitely isn't the sort of thing carried in bookstores (more
like libraries), it will be $22.95 in hardcover, and for those
interested, the ISBN is 0-8057-4602-1. I work at a Borders
bookstore and saw it in Books in Print. It is also listed on the
Amazon site with pretty much the same info I gave here. It seems
like the kind of thing HE would normally eschew, being opposed to
over-analyzing literature as he is, but for those who want a nice
critical overview (i've used the Twayne books for english classes
and they're pretty decent) this may be something to look into. On
another tack, Books in Print also lists something called the
Savoy Book by HE, published around 1980. Can anyone clue me in as
to what this contains? It isn't in the usual lists of HE's work.
DTS <None>
- Tuesday August 5 1997 03:23:16
FYI: latest news from the book front:
"Screamplays" ed. by Richard Chizmar and Martin
GReenberg ($12.00/Del Rey Ballantine) will feature a piece by
Harlan Ellison (as well as pieces by RIchard Matheson &
Stephen King). It's a teleplay based on his short story
"Ormond Always Pays His Bills" (which can be found in
the "No Doors, No Windows" collection, coming out from
WHite Wolf next year). I think the teleplay was entitled
"Moonlighting" (haven't seen the book yet, just read
about it). That's all from the front. Out here -- DTS.
Todd Mason <foxbrick@aol.com>
- Sunday August 3 1997 17:20:24
More old business--Keegan--Have you ever read Carol
Emshwiller? Perhaps her two most famous short stories,
"Hunting Machine" and "Pelt" might be of
interest..."Pelt" was in the US edition of her most
recent (I think) collection, THE START OF THE END OF IT ALL
(1991--the UK edition might have both stories) and "Hunting
Machine" was probably in JOY IN OUR CAUSE, but I wouldn't
bet the .22 on it. Good hunt fiction. (
Todd Mason <foxbrick@aol.com>
- Sunday August 3 1997 05:40:13
Very belatedly, Barney--yes, Ed Valigursky was an artist.
Paul Fairman and Cele Goldsmith (at AMAZING and FANTASTIC) and
Larry Shaw (at IF and INFINITY) and Hans Stefan Santesson (at
FANTASTIC UNIVERSE) and a few less-well-known individuals
including W. S. Scott (at SATELLITE, I think) so memorably
memorialized in one of the recent White Wolf introductions were
the editors. And for most of their magazines, there probably
wasn't an official art director. Philadelphians in West Philly
particularly can hear me intermittently on 91.3 FM WPPR, when I'm
not playing music or RADIO NATION (from THE NATION magazine) or
SECOND OPINION (an interview show from THE PROGRESSIVE magazine)
10-pm to Midnight on Sundays. It would conflict with HOUR 25 if
we were in the same timezone. I think. Hafta look at the LA
Pacifica page again...
Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
the Netherlands - Thursday July 31 1997 23:18:27
Thanks, DTS. I'll definitely have to get it!
DTS <None>
- Thursday July 31 1997 23:15:10
Shaz: fyi: Yeah, the paperback "Dream Corridor"
collects the special and all 5 issues after that. The piece by
John Byrne ("I Have No Mouth...") is not included in
the paperback collection.--DTS
Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
- Thursday July 31 1997 23:14:58
That should read "#1-5". ;)
Shaz <ouch@snakebite.com>
- Thursday July 31 1997 23:12:27
Does anyone here own the "Harlan Ellison's Dream
Corridor" TradePaperBack, published in Dec. '96 (list:
$18.95)? Just which of the Dream Corridor's does it contain? I
can't manage to find a good description or table of contents for
it anywhere online. I have HE's Dream Corridor #1-!5, but do not
have the first corridor which has no #, and would be very
interested to know if the first Dream Corridor is included in
this compilation.
Sue Luesse
- Thursday July 31 1997 13:48:35
HI!! *TODD* - good to see you! Had given up, said last
rites, and scattered the ashes... ;-) ... *BARNEY* I chewed on
that question a while - and think as a "reader", rather
than a biographer or historian, I'd be interested in what the
"little people" had to say.. Seems to me
"peer" immediately gets into the *business* end of
things more than the personality, and tends to slant the
perspective according to the business dealings. I think it might
be a more accurate reflection of the person HE to read the
impressions of folks who have frequent contact in non-literary
settings.. Like the guys who mows his lawn, the
"regulars" at the coffee shop he frequents every
morning, etc. Just a passing mental vapor... :-) ...
Mason
- Thursday July 31 1997 05:36:45
A question for the witnesses: "How much dramatic
license, if any, does he take with the autobiographical anecdotes
involving you?" "How would your work/life be different
w/o his?" "If you were a tree, what kind of tree would
you--" Hello people I remember!
Todd Mason <foxbrick@aol.com>
philadelphia, pa was I missed? - Thursday July 31 1997 05:26:59
Living people who obviously have interesting Ellison
anecdotes include Robert Silverberg, Joe Hensley (I believe he's
still kicking, hope so), Ted White, Algis Budrys, William
Rotsler, Ms. Lee Hoffman, Damon Knight, probably a couple of
exes, and all of these folks are just some off the top of the
head who knew him When. Pre-LA, pre-"Repent" (not his
first good story, but the first to get much SF attention),
pre-Parker in SAT REV. Sterling is probably not the best person
to ask about splats, by the by...my guess is that the crime
fiction of the young Joe Gores, for example, had as much
influence as the Ellison opi (much less "Whimper" by
its lonesome) on Lansdale, or for that matter Thomas--it's late
and I can't think of the name of the RED DRAGON author--among the
noir-influenced splats. For that matter, read Theodore Sturgeon's
"A Way of Thinking" and you've got an unshakable bit of
grew to haunt you, that has a very splat feel...from forty-plus
years ago. Or H.G. Wells's "The Cone" for that pure
pain thing. Not that Ellison (and Thomas Disch and Norman
Spinrad--and Ramsey Campbell and Dennis Etchison and...) didn't
clear a little brush for Schow and Shirley and all the merry
crew...
Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Wednesday July 30 1997 03:18:40
**NEW THREAD** I've got a question to throw out for
everybody. If you could interview anybody (other than Harlan or
Susan) about Harlan who would that person be. Please limit
yourself to the living. Also, what question would you most like
to ask? This is not a 'please do my homework for me' question. I
have plenty of ideas but sometimes my mind runs around in the
same smallish circles and I need a jog in strange directions.
Here is an example.... I had the opportunity awhile back to ask
Bruce Sterling to give me his take on Harlan's "I Have No
Mouth and I Must Scream" and the evolution of cyberpunk and
basically the same question with regard to "The Whimper of
Whipped Dogs" and splatterpunk. For what it's worth he
thought the influence of "Whimper" was profound and
"Mouth" somewhat less so. Another example would be
asking his sister the somewhat obvious "what was he like as
a child?" but beyond that, not having siblings, [I traded
them for magic beans on the internet] my brain faulters. If
thoughts on this go long or extremly personal feel free to
private e-mail. Thanks in advance, Barney [HERC#1]
DTS <None>
- Wednesday July 30 1997 03:11:08
FYI:In addition to the limited and trade editions of
"'Repent Harlequin!' Said the Tick Tock Man" being
published in Oct. by Underwood Books, Dark Horse Comics has
scheduled a limted edition of "Harlan Ellison's Dream
Corridor, Vol. One" (for Nov., I think) at $69.95; plus,
EIDOLON magazine (an Australian publication) reprinted "The
End of the Time of Leinard," "Pulling Hard Time"
and "Soft Monkey," with an "introductory
note" penned by Ellison for that issue (#20). That's all the
news that fits...DTS.
Sue Luesse
lost in the glories of summer, - Tuesday July 29 1997 14:47:09
*BARNEY* *DOC* !! HURRAY!! I smiled just seeing the names..
And I find the discussion of HE's entanglements with his readers
interesting. I don't think it is "dissing" to notice
the obvious fact - nor do I think it traitorous to head shake and
sigh over HE's public antics in real life life, while lauding his
literary work.. I've been doing that since the first time I
tripped over "the Other Ellison".. *wicked snicker* I
can agree with both of you - and add that it always seemed odd to
me that a person of intelligence wouldn't be able to accept that
there is no way to separate the "pluses" from the
"minuses" to a thing.. *ALL* Still plugging away at
that review (half way through). Still doing the Summer stuff
(never enough Summer for a the plans made in Winter). Still
having *fun*... :-) ... And sorry about that last double post..
don't know how it happened.. cosmic rays.. sun spots..
mentalpause.. part of the SPIDER plot.. *giggle* Try High - Fly
Straight - Drive Safe
Barney <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Monday July 28 1997 02:47:54
*DOC* Good to hear from you. I agree with all of your
points. This leaves me in the position of either keeping my mouth
shut, or seeming like less of a Harlan booster than I actually
am. The rub for me is when he takes the "I owe you nothing
but the work" tack. It sort of sounds like Charles Barclay
whining about the off court attention and how he doesn't want to
be an example to anybody. You cannot set yourself up as the
literary equivalent of Jiminy Cricket and not expect public
scrutiny. I think Harlan is at an age (and a level of personal
contentedness) where not having the laser beam of public scrutiny
pointing at him would be just fine. Unfortunatly for him those
past 40 years of self promotion wont allow him that luxury. Even
if it were possible for us to leave him alone I don't think the
converse is possible for him. When Mark Twain found the public
accepting him for what he was he got started on the "Letters
From the Earth" material so he could infuriate generations
as yet unborn. I see that as a more likely career path than
Harlan and the public reaching any sort of accord. And when his
blood is up I don't think he'd enjoy life any other way. By the
way, for an interesting take on Mark Twain, I commend you to Dan
Simmons "Fires of Eden" which plays on the Twain
"Sandwich Island" material. Great fun. Barney [HERC
#1.]
Doc
Astray, By the Bay - Sunday July 27 1997 21:53:30
BARNEY -- I don't think HE is *surprised* by the sheer
fuckery of the Common Fan (and let's face it, some of our fellow
admirers are REALLY common). One of the things that drives HE and
his work is that terrible, painful balance between having high
hopes for us (meaning, humanity, but including fankiddies), yet
being so regularly disappointed. After forty-odd years of pouring
oneself into one's work, targeting the idiocy, the wrong, and the
plain ol' mistakes, in an on-going attempt to make some things
right, when people continue to commit these shennanigans
willfully, and right in your face, the same things you've been
telling them "Fer chrissakes, stop that, or I'm gonna smack
ya!!!" -- well, yeah, HE's outraged. And with Harlan being
so public, frankly, I'm surprised that it doesn't happen more
often. Meanwhile, another year has passed me by -- another
mirthless birthday. I will spare you the (yawn) details. Anyone
out there know how much iodine it takes to be poisonous? Cheers,
Doc
Brett <gort@glex.com.au>
Killarney Heights, New South Wales Australia - Saturday July 26
1997 05:35:33
Has anyone got an episode guide to Alfred Hitchcock Hour?
It's on cable her in Oz and I'm waiting for Memo From Purgatory.
I want a episode list so I can tell if I've already missed it.
Barney <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Friday July 25 1997 23:31:59
I think [based on traffic] we should replace Goldblum [the
fly] with a cricket icon. chereep......chereep.....chereep Just
finished ALL the levels in the I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
CD-ROM game. Great game but quite an annoying interface setup.
Worth it just to hear my computer spew the voice of AM [Harlan's
voice] back at me. Hate hate indeed. Hey Sue. All is well here
but I am booked clear into Sept./Oct. at this point. Anybody want
to trade the Harlan Vibe appearance for one of my OMNI
"Mefisto In Onyx" 's? I saw Harlan's piece on SciFi
Buzz about the FBI Bush threat and I've been chewing on it. While
being rousted by the FBI on a Sunday night is more than just a
little inconveniant and I am NOT sympathetic in any way to
whoever may have started that ball rolling I have some thoughts
on this. I keep wondering if a person who chooses to be as
public, ie. cons, television, editorials, etc.as Harlan makes
himself should be so suprised and outraged when the public
attention is occasionally negative. I am not saying he deserves
that shit should happen to him, I'm just saying that this is the
dilemna of a Public Figure. I'm tempted to use sports and media
stars for comparison but I think it would be more accurate to
compare literary figures. It's as though Harlan wants to be
removed from public scrutiny and attention like Melville or
Hawthorne and yet craves the attention that Mark Twain brought
upon himself. I don't think you can have it both ways.
Non-intrusive acclaim and recognition seems to me to be an
unreasonable expectation. But I wish him well. Eddie Vetter on
the other hand should just stop whining. One does not FRONT a
rock band to be ignored. For that one must be an E plucking bass
player. There. That might start something. Putting the fun back
into disfunctional. [HERC#1]
Sue Luesse <jaluesse@ismi.net>
- Tuesday July 22 1997 15:01:52
HI! So good to see your're still with us *BARNEY* - and I
guess that means I can stop scheming to get that HERC #1 now...
;-) ... I liked your synopsis of Ankle-Strap Wedgie, and
*surprise* agree with the assessment. I did the same thing,
*PHILLIP* - first time I read the story, it just seemed
depressing and pointless. Of course, at the time I was young,
idealistic, etc.. I don't think I could "tune in" to
the realism of the story, or empathize with the characters, until
I had gotten to an age myself where the "future" was
not unlimited opportunity. I re-read AnkleStrap for a discussion
here last year - and "discovered" the nuances and
gentle (if sorrowful) touches that eluded me before. The depth of
the characters is really amazing, and like "real life",
you have to know how to "read" the them from their
surface to know the internal workings. I've found that many of
HE's stories are written from distinct perspectives - and I've
either "have been there", so it hits home *hard*, or I
haven't got a clue to what is going on. HE stories are definately
like those time-release capsules - and it's sruprising how often
stories I thought were "OK" became FANTASTIC when the
specific head space it is written in becomes part of my
"experience vocabulary" with the passing of time. *ALL*
still doing our "Summer Thing".. Been pretty busy here.
Is it just me, or do people get married, have babies, graduate
(all those go-to/gift-buying things) in clumps?? I'm beginning to
wish I could "borrow" a few weekends from a couple
years back when I didn't use them for anything, and tuck them
into this Summer so we'd have a weekend or two for ourselves..
Well, at least it's *fun*... :-) ... Try High - Fly Straight -
Drive Safe
Sue Luesse <jaluesse@ismi.net>
- Tuesday July 22 1997 15:01:18
HI! So good to see your're still with us *BARNEY* - and I
guess that means I can stop scheming to get that HERC #1 now...
;-) ... I liked your synopsis of Ankle-Strap Wedgie, and
*surprise* agree with the assessment. I did the same thing,
*PHILLIP* - first time I read the story, it just seemed
depressing and pointless. Of course, at the time I was young,
idealistic, etc.. I don't think I could "tune in" to
the realism of the story, or empathize with the characters, until
I had gotten to an age myself where the "future" was
not unlimited opportunity. I re-read AnkleStrap for a discussion
here last year - and "discovered" the nuances and
gentle (if sorrowful) touches that eluded me before. The depth of
the characters is really amazing, and like "real life",
you have to know how to "read" the them from their
surface to know the internal workings. I've found that many of
HE's stories are written from distinct perspectives - and I've
either "have been there", so it hits home *hard*, or I
haven't got a clue to what is going on. HE stories are definately
like those time-release capsules - and it's sruprising how often
stories I thought were "OK" became FANTASTIC when the
specific head space it is written in becomes part of my
"experience vocabulary" with the passing of time. *ALL*
still doing our "Summer Thing".. Been pretty busy here.
Is it just me, or do people get married, have babies, graduate
(all those go-to/gift-buying things) in clumps?? I'm beginning to
wish I could "borrow" a few weekends from a couple
years back when I didn't use them for anything, and tuck them
into this Summer so we'd have a weekend or two for ourselves..
Well, at least it's *fun*... :-) ... Try High - Fly Straight -
Drive Safe
Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
- Friday July 18 1997 03:12:17
errata: Robin Wilson's "Those Who Can" is back in
print in trade paperback format and contains Harlan's
"Pretty Maggie Moneyeyes" and the long explanatory
essay "The Whore With A Heart Of Iron Pyrites, or Where Does
One Go To Find A Maggie" along with other tasty tidbits.
also; The Babylon 5 encyclopedia has a BRIEF entry for Harlan,
simply listing him as a writer who amuses Lt. Ivanova and
erroneously listing one of his "treatises" as
"Working Without A Diet". Of course the correct title
of the non-existant autobiography is "Working Without A
Net" and I just can't decide if the mistake was honest
because the dust jacket was only shown for a moment or if the
remark was a slam referring to last years heart problems. Or if
Harlan wrote the entry himself to see if I was paying attention.
Oh well, back to my 'treatise' on "Aliens and the Grassy
Knoll. I got your conspiracy right here...
Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@
enter.net>
- Thursday July 17 1997 23:26:42
Attn DTS : a footnote to "Anywhere But Here,..."
I had assumed the story was inspired by Harlans 4th (?) marriage
[the VERY brief one] although it also bears some similarity to an
opening scene in "Get Shorty" If the people you
referred to in a post awhile back are people Harlan knows I would
be interested in hearing about it. Not to intrude on gory details
of personal relationships, but simply to nail down source
material. E-mail me privately if you see this. Thanks.
Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. - Thursday July 17 1997 23:16:41
Phillip: "The Resurgence of Miss Ankle-Strap
Wedgie" is Harlan's Hollywood piece. It functions in the
same vein as the movie "Sunset Boulevard" or Nathaniel
West's novel "The Day of the Locust" . If you enjoyed
either of these your ready for it now. It's really just your
basic parable of vanity, rapaciousness and greed. Fun for the
whole family. Maybe someday Disney will legitimize it! In the
story's favor, no less a writer then the inestimable Barry
Malzberg publicly chastized himself at I-Con four years ago for
not publishing it when he had the chance."His greatest
editorial regret" he recalled it as. Cheer up, I keep
waiting for "the Crying of Lot 49" to click. All good
things come...
Phillip Cairns <phillip@cs.mun.ca>
- Thursday July 17 1997 22:57:14
Can anyone give me a review of "The Resurgence of Miss
Ankle-Strap Wedgie"? I remember trying to read it several
years ago, getting about maybe halfway though it and having to
give up on it because I was just too bored with it. I tried again
a year or two later and the same thing happened. I've recently
heard some people say some wonderful things about it, and HE
seems to be particularly proud of it. I know that as a reader I
am always maturing, learning to appreciate things today that I
wouldn't have enjoyed several years ago. So I've been thinking
about giving "Miss Ankle-Strap Wedgie" another chance.
But I'd be interested first to hear what other people have to say
about it, whether they enjoyed, what the story is about, were
they unable to get through it like me, how comparable it is to
some of HE's other works, stuff like that.
Watcher
- Wednesday July 16 1997 15:22:54
I may not agree with all of Harlan's opinions,but I do like
his presentation. Keep it up. Good health and happiness to all.
Justin Mohareb <bd796@freenet.carleton.ca>
Toronto, Ontario Canada - Monday July 14 1997 15:45:38
Well, a lot has been said about HE in a lot of places (some
of it even complimentary). Well, if you think, like I do, that
he's one of them visionaries of the 20th century, maybe we can
help convince the rest of the planet how right we are. Time
Magazine (you've heard of them, neh?) is preparing the "Time
100", a list of 100 people who've made a big impact on the
20th century; politicians, entertainers, scientists, soldiers,
and such. It might bring HE to their attention if a small group
of people were to show up at their site & recommend him. I
don't think HE cares about recognition, but I kinda think he
deserves it. Just a thought.
Barney Dannelke <dannelke01@enter.net>
Allentown, PA. USA, - Sunday July 13 1997 17:36:33
(copied from old board by Rick) While this is an old topic
I thought I'd put in my two cents regarding "Anywhere But
Here, With Anyone But You". While it's certainly one of
those stories that resonates After you've had a quasi-psychotic
episode with a formerly nurturing partner I think it works pretty
well on it's own. I didn't have any problem with the imported
symbols because I had the Dillon illustration at hand. Add to
this that Harlan had just come off of "Mine Fields" in
which all but one of those stories used the same inclusion of
images in the body of the story and you begin to see how Harlan
would 'keep going' in this manner. Also, this is nothing
particularly new to Harlan's methodology here as he has used
pictures and paintings to inspire stories since the 50's. It all
goes back to writing stories to fit pre-puchased cover art for Ed
Valigursky in the pulp days. Wait - Valigursky may have been the
artist and not the editor. Oh well. My other thought is that the
story reminded me of Diogenes and the cup. There is that moment
when one realizes one no longer requires a certain beloved thing
and can do without and that moment can be transcendant. That's
how it hit me. Wait'll Diogenes lawyer finds out - Harlan's in
trouble now. Unrelated - Has anybody here read Robert Cormier's
"I Am The Cheese" AND Harlan's "The Cheese Stands
Alone"? Is there a connection? I only ask because I just
finished reading Robert Cormier's "Fade" replete with
blurbs by Harlan and some guy named S. King and this novel has a
bully that is reminiscent of some of Harlans stuff and an Aunt
Rose that made me think of "Laughtrack" for no good
reason. This is all pretty silly sounding and I'm the LAST guy
who should be saying this but what the heck, there were 4 Bachman
novels out before anybody had a clue. I'm NOT saying that Cormier
is a pseudonym but simply wondering if there is a "mutual
admiration society - nudge nudge, wink wink" thing going on
ala Stephen King/John D. MacDonald or Harlan Ellison/Dan Simmons.
Inquiring minds want to know. Of course they also want to know
why Batman and Robin have kevlar nipples and Batgirl doesn't but
thats outside my area of expertise.
coogan
- Sunday July 13 1997 16:33:03
Hi all! I gott a go to rehearsal soon, and am just tagging
in to say that I'm with Alex on Mr. Feinstein (I would describe
his style as "square") and thanks for the book
recommendation. Swing on!
Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Sunday July 13 1997 06:43:10
Not a HE point, but what the hell ... I've always been a
Michael Feinstein detractor; to me, he's always seemed the
showtune version of Michael Bolton (all right; perhaps not THAT
bad), so I was prepared to look through "Nice Work If You
Can Get It" and find some I'm wonderful -- and these songs
aren't bad"-type drivel. I was most pleasantly surprised to
find the book an often hilaeious, often moving tribute to some of
the great songwriters of the '20s, '30s, and '40s. Pick it up if
you can.
Jon JC Basten <86627620@cyberstreetcafe.com>
New Franken, WI - Sunday July 13 1997 00:32:35
Time sure flies, tomorrow Packer training camp starts, and
it is only 5 months 13 days till the next Super Bowl! I hope I
get my copy of SLIPPAGE by then - the bookstore tells me it is on
back order. If any one is interested - LYRICS ON SEVERAL
OCCASSIONS by Ira Gershwin is slated for rerelease in September.
Ira was a master of lyrics and I think this will be a great
addition to my library. Also, if you want an interesting musical
"ride" Bobby McFerrin has an awesome album called
CIRCLE SONGS, or James Galway's LEGENDS, or Michael Feinstein's
NICE WORK, IF YOU CAN GET IT. As you can see, I have been
rediscovering my recordings whilst I wait. Does anyone know what
you should wear to a telephone interview? Gotta go, I'm history!
Rick Wyatt <webmaster@harlanellison.com>
Chicago, IL USA - Saturday July 12 1997 19:51:05
Okay, gang - we're running at Menagerie now! This means I
can not only fix board fuckups and edit messages, but I can also
begin adding functionality to this board. What would you like to
see?
Sue Luesse
- Friday, July 11, 1997 at 08:58:46 (CDT)
*ALEX* - No, it isn't just you. I miss the 'rants', too.
Well, maybe not the fire-breathing... :-) ... But I do miss the
great discussions that got intense - and in-depth. The
"themes" of HE do seem to crop up in real life (what
makes his writing so gut-wrenching and great - the
verisimilitude), and I still think that it is "on
topic" to explore those themes based on personal
experiences. Guess this is just a "busy summer". *Hope*
this is just a busy summer.. *KEEGAN* take your time with the
e-mail. I understand about the "juggling" act you are
doing with your life right now... :-) ... *ALL* glad to see so
many "old friends" and new tagging in on Webderland.
Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe
Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philly, PA "Demur-rica" - Friday, July 11, 1997 at
01:52:46 (CDT)
Is it just me, or does anyone else miss regular rants here?
keegan
- Thursday, July 10, 1997 at 20:19:32 (CDT)
Rick--the page is great. The guestbook is excellent.
Sue-I'm still trying to find time. If I can ever exit
Netscape.....My husband is slogging his way through Essential. I,
on the other hand, am spending my days writing a paper called
"Solo Jazz Singing: An Autodidactic Approach to the
Development of Personal Knowledge, Skill, and Style". Think
HE could hand along any tips? He's purported to be a fine singer
(ask Babs!). Anyway, I'm just blathering to say hi. That said,
I'm gone!
Sue Luesse
- Thursday, July 10, 1997 at 12:20:14 (CDT)
Ummm Yippee shit Yipes shit Yuckee shit ... shoot - have to
wait until the "typo-fever" passes.. :-) Good Job,
Rick!
Rick Wyatt
Scartaris, - Wednesday, July 09, 1997 at 19:13:04 (CDT)
Okay, gang, we've got a spiffy new Webderland search engine
and guestbook. Both are available via the main page and you can
also go right to the guestbook at
http://harlanellison.com/elligsts.htm. Let's all say
yippee shit 12 times.
Mark Ellis <ellis@acavax.lynchburg.edu>
Lynchburg, Va. U.S.A. - Wednesday, July 09, 1997 at 08:05:55
(CDT)
Dear Sir, I enjoyed Mr. Ellison's " Top 10 Things That
He Hates In the Movies" On the Sci - Fi Buzz program but he
forgot one I really hate. When the good guy is fighting an
adversary and he defeats him why doesn't he pick up his weapon
and use it ? 99% of the time the good guy is in enemy territory
and he leaves weapons all over the place. I can't stand it when
that happens.Thanks for letting me vent !Mark Ellis
Sue Luesse <Limbo@nowhere.now>
- Tuesday, July 08, 1997 at 11:52:26 (CDT)
HOWDY!!! So glad to find out it wasn't *ME*.. Thought for a
day or so you had all moved to new address, and _not_ told me..
hee hee.. Still working hard on that review for Webderland (Rick
heaves a looong sigh, here), and a little more than half-way
through now. Thanks to everyone for their Support.. *If I had
only known How Hard reviews are...* So good to see all of
you..and, hey.. SCOTT.. :-) OOPSIES are not exactly an
"unknown" to some of us.. It's OK.. Just glad we have
it up and running again.Doing a lot of *real* life things while
the weather permits, but haven't forgotten my favorite b-board..
Still lusting and hoping for Slippage and Edgeworks3 - you guys
have whetted my appetite. So lesse, got a birthday, an
anniversary, and Christmas coming up - so that's one each for
Slippage, Edgeworks3, and my "own" computer.. *giggle*
Well, I'm supposed to set goals to strive for, aren't I?? Try
High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe
Scott Jennings <wirehead@cei.net>
- Tuesday, July 08, 1997 at 10:59:27 (CDT)
My apologies to all Webderland users. Due to a comedy of
miscommunications between Rick and myself regarding changes to
his web structure (he wanted me to change the spiffy menubars at
the top of every page in the comments board, where I thought he
wanted me to change the actual pages themselves -- OK, so you had
to be there) compounded by my offices moving last week (and thus
me losing access to the web server for that time) resulted in
these pages wandering in limbo. However, since the Pope has
decreed that Limbo no longer exists (Really!) the pages are now
back. Thank you for your patience, and please direct all flames
in my direction, not Rick's. He had nothing to do with it, and
besides, he has a Glock.Scott JenningsRandom Web Guy
Rick Wyatt <webmaster@harlanellison.com>
- Tuesday, July 08, 1997 at 10:58:06 (CDT)
It LIVES!!!
Rick <webmaster@harlanellison.com>
- Tuesday, July 01, 1997 at 12:30:51 (CDT)
I just put out pages at index.html, ellihome.html, and
ellinews.html notifying users that the real pages are at .htm
instead. Sorry for the delay, we moved our webserver and I had to
wait until we could get an FTP server running at the new
location. If you folks find any other "bad links", let
me know!
Alex Jay Berman <smeghead>
Philly, Girlfriendless -- Please Help - Tuesday, July 01, 1997 at
00:54:24 (CDT)
Keegan -- apparently, the problem with your book mark
(mine, too) was that it was not updated; that is, where it says
"...ellihome.htm", we had our bookmarks listed as
"...home.html".Weird, but I guess we've got it fixed
now. Now, if only Rick had the time to update the page a little
more -- :)Hey, why is it that I seldom see any of your monikers
on alt.fan.harlan-ellison postings?Ah, well.Be well -- well and
truly twisted, that is. :)
keegan
- Monday, June 30, 1997 at 23:59:06 (CDT)
Man! My bookmark must have gotten corrupted because all day
I tried to check Webderland (well, not literally ALL day) and I
kept getting a "404 Not On This Server" or some
message. I had the idea to cruise in via Yahoo and I made it!
Bummer! I missed HE on Snyder because I was in Kennebunkport, ME
chowing lobster at someone else's expense (sister's
wedding--she's married well). But then again, I am currently
(perhaps permanently) cableless. At least I could've gotten
someone to tape the show. Oh, well. SUE LUESSE: I will email very
soon. Lots to tell ya. DOC: heard and registered, man. I think
those knife twistin' stories are the real reason I can get into
HE. Carry on, all. Have a great (and safe!) summer.
Kevin Kirby <sunlight@earthlink.net>
San Francisco, CA A - Monday, June 30, 1997 at 20:03:53 (CDT)
I sent an e-mail to the Buzz department at The Dominion
yesterdaycontaining my proposition for a future online event
inspired byHarlan's storefront writing stunts. I told them I
would like tosee a chat channel used for the writing of a story.
There wouldhave to be a moderator, of course, and viewers would
have to accept the fact that the story would be copyrighted.
Also, thisevent could occur on a daily basis for an indefinite
period, tobe visited at all hours to watch the work progressing.
There would probably have to be a site where you could view the
"storyso far," but the author would have to be fairly
famous to drawany surfers. Maybe this idea would be better as the
basis fora story then as a real occurence.
Sue Luesse
A Mom and her bike, - Monday, June 30, 1997 at 09:57:06 (CDT)
Hi guys! Managed to miss HE again.. Well, can't be helped -
it's riding season... :-) ... I'm currently re-reading The Beast.
That's because I won't be affording anything "top end"
for another two years (when Baby Boy graduates from college). And
like *KEEGAN* and *DOC*, finding that the stories that "got
me" the first (and 2nd and 3rd..) time around still do - and
starting to get a little _critical_ of the ones I'm sure I read
just as often, never remember until I start them again, and say
"oh - that one" to myself in the flattest of tones..
Could never bring myself to write in a book, but am having Strong
Thoughts about leaving bookmarkers with a list of stories to skip
the next time I pick up the book.. Blasphemy, probably..
*shrug*Got half-way into SANTA CLAUS vs S.P.I.D.E.R. - and caught
myself thinking how sad so much of the story will be meaningless
to new readers under age 30.. And glad that HE doesn't do much
topical humor. Not much else going on here, HE-wise.. But I do
*have a Life*... 8-) ... so no complaints. Good to hear from you
all again - and glad to see that there is still an artesian well
of wit in Webderland.. Try High - Fly Straight - Drive Safe
Bill Dennis
- Monday, June 30, 1997 at 09:14:53 (CDT)
A friend of mine, who had never seen HE before, watched Tom
Snyder on Friday. "So," says I, "what'd you think
of Harlan Ellison." Her first and vehement response:
"Boy, is he ever opinionated!" I told her, 1) No sh%t,
Sherlock and 2) HE's usually right because 3) he's got the
intellect to warrant it. Anyway, I missed the airing. Anybody out
there got a summary? And is Harlan now going by the name of Queen
HE-tifa? -- Billy D.
Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philly, PA, USA Not again .... - Saturday, June 28, 1997 at
02:14:10 (CDT)
>SOB<-- First, Politically Incorrect, now, Toupee er TOM Snyder! Missed 'em both; by minutes in both cases!! Would that I had thought to suckle at the glass teat ...
Jeremy Hurtz <hurtzm@sprynet.com>
- Friday, June 27, 1997 at 19:37:10 (CDT)
Wow, look at me! I'm cool! I notified y'all 'bout HE being
on Tom Snyder's show tonight hours before Rick did! And I'm a new
guy! I matter!!! My life has purpose!!!! Yippee!!!!!(Sound of
Jeremy's feet dragging on floor as he is carted off by burly
orderlies)
Rick Wyatt
- Friday, June 27, 1997 at 18:16:26 (CDT)
EMERGENCY ALERT!!! Harlan will be on the Tom Snyder show
tonight - check your local listings for times...
Jeremy Hurtz <hurtzm@sprynet.com>
Parkersburg, West Virginia USA - Friday, June 27, 1997 at
13:26:41 (CDT)
This is my first post here. I've lurked for a while, but I
don't check up long enough to keep up with any of the heated
debates. Anyway, the point is: Queen Latifah was scheduled to be
tonight's (Friday, 6/27) headliner on the Late Late Show.
However, last night, at the end of the program, Tom said that HE
would be the headliner. He made no mention whatsoever of Latifah.
This could be a mistake--cbs.com still says Latifah--but I doubt
it. Snyder seems to be having trouble with guests this week:
Wednesday's big attraction, Charlton Heston, forgot about it and
didn't even show up. So the point is, HE will probably be on the
show tonight, but if he's not, don't blame me.
Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.
com>
Philly, PA USA - Thursday, June 26, 1997 at 01:05:56 (CDT)
Sorry about the grammatical errors in that last -- it looks
like I'm saving all my writing aptitude for my novel (now 64,000
words done). Completion by Fall or Bust!
Alex Jay Berman <smeghead@erols.com>
Philly, loneliness -- oh, sorry, PA ... USA - Thursday, June 26,
1997 at 01:03:31 (CDT)
With bad review after bad review of the "Batman and
Robin and Your Little Dog, Too" movie, I find myself
wistfully remembering the one time HE DID script a Bat-story:
Detective Comics #567. It's one of the best -- and funniest
Batman stories ever written.
Bill Dennis <The
Lingering Scent of Woodstock>
- Wednesday, June 25, 1997 at 10:00:37 (CDT)
About a year ago, folks here were signing on with mangled
versions of HE titles as their E-mail addresses. Looks like DOC
is starting again. Y'all care to continue with titles from
Slippage and Edgeworks III? -- Billy D.
Bill Dennis
- Wednesday, June 25, 1997 at 09:55:38 (CDT)
*DOC* I think we all used up our wittiness (or witlessness)
already for June, then it got blown away in the website security
purge. "Count the Clock" was a great story for me, too.
I reread it about a year ago, remembered having read it about 15
years prior, and never knew that HE was the author. Many of the
stories that tend to stick out in my mind are HE stories that I'd
been too much of dolt to notice who authored them. On another
note, HE and NPR teamed up to change my life recently--though in
a way neither would probably care to acknowledge. In Edgeworks
III, I read the intro where HE talks about the old manual lawn
mowers in the 1940's. A couple days later, NPR did a report on
how two companies are making lightweight, stainless
steel/aluminum versions of the old clunkers. Can we say
synchronicity? Anyhows, I bought me one. Got me a pair of those
old snip-snip clippers for trimming too. And suddenly yard work,
which I'd hated beyond description, is becoming a pleasant,
low-noise, non-vibrating, fumeless task. Thanks Unca Harlan,
though you probably don't care. -- Billy D.
Doc
Everywhere But Here, With Everyone But Me - Tuesday, June 24,
1997 at 13:12:42 (CDT)
Yow! My pearls! My swine! Where has all my witty repartee
gone? My glittering bon mots? Ah, well -- quelle frommage.
*KEEGAN* I know what you mean, Sweetie. Not to very long ago, I
rediscovered "Coount the Clock That Tells the Time." I
was doing this thing I do, sometimes, when I'm all down an'
trying to keep my head out of the oven -- I re-read HE, try to
find some solace in that message, "You are not alone."
So I'm about to go blow out the pilots, when I find "Count
the Clock..." And it cut me to ribbons. Of course, by the
time it was done, I was feeling much better, but it was a close
call. As for "The Cheeze," you have to make your own
moments, every damn day. *SUE* Hiya, Doll! Thanks for the
cookies; I have an appointment to talk to someone about what we
talked about. They're rushing me through -- I go on the 15th of
July. Actually, there's alot I have to talk about, some of it
related to HE Who Must Be Obeyed -- it's just THE TIME...Oh, yes
-- BATMAN & ROBIN: the writer needs a co-writer; the DIRECTOR
needs to pack up and move to another franchise. There's plusses
and minusses. Think we'll ever see "Night of Thanks But No
Thanks" incorporated in a Bat-script? Cheers, Doc
Beth <witkowski.7@osu.edu>
Columbus, OH - Tuesday, June 24, 1997 at 11:54:47 (CDT)
I see the "City on the Edge of Forever" made it
into the "TV Guide Top 100" best television shows. #92
as judged by TV Guide with the help of Nick at Nite. The only
Star Trek episode to make it (big surprise!). It's...eh...
interesting to see it in the company of not only WKRP's Turkey
Drop and the Twin Peaks premiere but also the Love Boat's 200th
Episode. Totally meaningless, but still...
keegan
- Monday, June 23, 1997 at 13:52:29 (CDT)
"bookshop in the story." Sorry. Long day. No
attention span.
keegan
- Monday, June 23, 1997 at 13:47:48 (CDT)
The amazing thing is that if you don't pay the cable bill,
sooner or later, you don't have teevee. And funny enough, when
there's no teevee, you listen to more records and read more
books. This weekend, I read three stories from Edgeworks 2 that I
loved: "The Cheese Stands Alone". "Final
Trophy", and "Night of Black Glass". "Night
of Black Glass" was okay, but it really was a little
Monkey's pawishfor me. It was good while it was happenin' but
when it was over, I didn't feel like I read anything particularly
mindblowing. I like that "coming back" theme better in
other stories. It was set in Maine, though, and that always
scores big points with me. "Final Trophy" was really
cool. I love hunter stories (I'm from hunting culture) and I
loved how this story unraveled and ended. It reminded me of this
painted carving my grandmother had hanging in the den of some
hunters sleeping in a clearing while they were surrounded by
rifle-wielding deer. But "The Cheese Stands Alone" was
the one that REALLY grabbed me. Maybe it's that I and just about
everyone of my 30-ish friends are going through pre-midlife
crisis. I wonder about whether the finest moment is yet to come
or whether I did my best thing years ago. Sometimes I'm paralyzed
by the anxiety (metaphorically, of course) and it kind of reminds
me of that bookshop in the store. I'm too snotty to stand still
and look back for long, though. It's *my* shitty life! Anyway-
that one got me and I'm still bleedin' and laughin'!
Phillip
- Sunday, June 22, 1997 at 15:18:03 (CDT)
Testing one two three...
DTS <None>
- Friday, June 20, 1997 at 14:28:30 (CDT)
Scott: better safe (and secure) than sorry...Since we're
starting fresh, just wanted to throw this out: I don't usually
like to type anything that doesn't isn't related to Ellison and
his work, but has anyone heard the music of "Squirrel Nut
Zippers?" I don't listen to FM radio very much (the beat-up
truck I use for transportation now and then only has AM), so I
don't usually know what is au courant in the younger music scene.
Last weekend, while surviving through a grown-up dinner party, I
stole away several times to play with the kids. The children of
the home we were visiting (four highly intelligent, computer
versatile, trampoline jumping wild ones) turned me on to the CD
entitled, "Hell." (I also noticed the group mentioned
in a Newsweek article this week). Anyway, I bought the CD and the
music is great! Sort of a pastiche of Swing, dixieland and a
little bit of Tiajauna Brass stuff. And the woman vocalist is
terrific (she's got a sort of Betty Boop-cum-Ella Fitzgerald or
Billi Holiday thing goin' on)! When she sings "Meant To
Be," I am really gone...yow. It's good to hear NEW music in
which a big two-hearted,full band sound is featured, and where
you can actually hear and understand the lyrics. A welcome change
from that crap played by the Children of Lesser Music Gods -- the
stuff with a bass beat so heavy your teeth hurts, or guitars so
loud you can't think, or sappy lyrics about dogs dying and phone
lines whining. This, THIS, is music! As the characters in one of
my favorite 90's flicks say, "Swing Heil! -- DTS. (P.S. Just
took my kid to the new Batman flick -- the writer should be
fired, unless you're one of those folks who liked the old t.v.
series).
Scott <webmaster@cei.net>
Lil' Rock, AR - Friday, June 20, 1997 at 11:39:26 (CDT)
We tightened the security on our web server after an
attempted breakin -- a little TOO tight in places, like this
page, for example. Past few days lost, unavailable to write for a
day, all my fault, don't blame Rick. I will now proceed to hang
my head in abject shame. Thank you.
Phillip
- Friday, June 06, 1997 at 09:36:04 (CDT)
I just took a second look at that message. I was wrong. I
think RICK *should* delete it. It kind of went a bit too far...
Anyhow, from SLIPPAGE, I just read "The Lingering Scent of
Woodsmoke," which I read before from another one of the
Dream Corridor comic books (a.k.a. "graphic novels").
With all my respect and admiration for Harlan, I think he should
have left this story in the comic book---I mean graphic novel.
Phillip
- Friday, June 06, 1997 at 06:41:41 (CDT)
No, no---you have to let the pinheads have their say too.
Unless his/her language is obviously inappropriate, I don't think
*Rick* should begin censoring. We all know the person is a
pinhead. Nuff said.
DTS <None>
- Thursday, June 05, 1997 at 23:49:20 (CDT)
BILL: Can't claim to know everything about everything (even
though I like to tell my wife I do), but since the mysterious guy
who is making sure Eddie gets his stuff and splits says that
Eddie's wife can see him cause she's somewhere nearby, and since
Eddie (in a quick thought) tells the guy that he's acting like
Carole is "The Queen of Spain or somethin..." and since
he has also compared the ominous stillness of his empty house to
the battlefield at Agincourt...well, I'm guessing that Ellison
decided to wrap it all up with a surreal image/thought which
connected Carole to the Queen of Spain. You also should remember
(if you're gonna get deconstructionalist on me) that Ellison
wrote this story to compliment a story by Leo & Diane Dillon,
the cover from "Dream Corridor 2." So he was probably
trying to work most of the images from that illustration into the
story. And (this just pure speculation), I believe that some of
the events of the story are "fictionalized reflections"
of a painful separation which occurred between a terrifically
talented Kansas City based artist(who happened to work at
"the Universe of Happiness") and his writer wife. Once
again, a case of being married to someone for years and years,
and never REALLY knowing them. That's enough wind from me for
this week. (by the way, Rick, any chance you could clean up the
garbage below which was obviously left by some no-neck pinhead
with a keyboard and a modem? I'd be willing to forfeit some of
these other postings to see it wiped). Out here, DTS.
coogan
- Thursday, June 05, 1997 at 23:32:55 (CDT)
tee-hee!
Bill Dennis <wjdennis@inconnect.com>
- Thursday, June 05, 1997 at 22:14:24 (CDT)
I think the word "clever" never entered into the
last appender's dictionary. Let's not bother to tell him that HE
has nothing to do with this website, shall we? And people like
this, who've never matured beyond the larval Star Wars and
Hand-job stage, wonder why HE rants so much. Ah, well. Now where
were we? DTS, what did you make of the telescope reference at the
end of the story? That one just went right by me. -- Billy D.
Phillips
- Thursday, June 05, 1997 at 11:27:54 (CDT)
Whoops, I was thinking of "She's a Young
Thing..." when *DTS* was talking about "Anywhere But
Here..." I thought "Anywhere But Here..." was
realistic as well, but I still didn't think much of it. I can
remember the beginning but I can't remember how it ended. I guess
it didn't leave much of an impression on me.
Phillip
- Thursday, June 05, 1997 at 11:21:33 (CDT)
I'm going to read the story ("She's a Young
Thing...") a second time and get back to you on this. But
from my one reading I can say, for me, the relationship stuff was
excellent; that's the stuff that really struck home for me. But
when he tried twisting in that cannabal stuff, he lost me. Not in
that I couldn't follow it but that I didn't *care* about it
anymore.
DTS <None>
- Thursday, June 05, 1997 at 10:50:52 (CDT)
Bill & Phillip: re "Anywhere But Here, With
Anybody But You": I can't speak for Ellison, but having had
at least one relationship (marriage) in which I my love for the
person blinded my to the fact that she was a sociopath, and
having let myself be used and abused (emotionally...let's not
read anything into this here)for about four years, and having
only then realized what a sap I'd been and how much I DIDN'T know
about this person with whom I'd been sleeping...having been
through all that, and finally realzing that all the pain of
separating wasn't such a bad thing 'cause I was FREE, free at
last, I can say that the story resonated with me. And the lesson,
to quote from Dickens, is a pretty simple one: "A wonderful
fact to reflect upon, that every human creature is constituted to
be that profound secret and mystery to every other." Even
those of us that are married for years and years, sharing every
thing. We never REALLY know one another. And, of course, usually
(after the end of a long relationship), when we think we've sunk
so far we'll never surface, we've actually been handed a second
chance to start again and do it right. I know, I know, a lot of
wind to explain a slight breeze...but, I think this is one of
those "visceral" stories that either resonants or not,
depending on your life experience. -- DTS.
Bill Dennis <wjdennis@mail.inconnect.com>
Saulk Late City, UT - Wednesday, June 04, 1997 at 23:38:06 (CDT)
PHILLIP: I just finished reading "Anywhere but
Here..." too. And it definitely falls into the "don't
get it" category for me. I've reread the ending three of
four times, but I'm still at a loss. Any suggestions? Thanks. --
Billy D.
Phillip
- Wednesday, June 04, 1997 at 10:06:40 (CDT)
I agree with *BILL* about "Susan." I think it's
one of the best HE has written for a long time, easily my
favourite from MIND FIELDS, and very reminicent of certain
portions of "She's a Young Thing and Cannot Leave Her
Mother." It's the kind of thing I'd like to see more of from
Harlan.
Phillip
- Wednesday, June 04, 1997 at 10:01:30 (CDT)
From SLIPPAGE, just finished reading "Jane Doe
#112." Next! Read "Anywhere But Here with Anybody But
You" too. I read it before from the Dream Corridor comics.
It was alright. Nothing great so far. (I think I've read more
than half of contents before.) I've read 2 or 3 others as well
since my last posting, but I've already forgotten them.
Hum-dee-dum.
Shannon Osborne <osborne@lightspeed.net>
Bakersfield, CA USA - Wednesday, June 04, 1997 at 02:05:48 (CDT)
Huh? Harlan Ellison? Who IS that, anyway? I picked up a
paper back at a discount store (a cute little promo type thing
for "Revenge of The Nerds"; I figured that considering
how old the movie is, I'd probably never see another one of those
books - ever - and since it was only 98cents, well... you get the
idea) that made mention of Harlan Ellison. At the time, I thought
"oh YEAH, Harlan Ellison. That's the guy that wrote
"The Stainless Steel Rat" - I used to be such a FAN
years ago..." So I dusted off my old web browser and went
about seeking out Harlan Ellison... But when I GOT HERE, and saw
all the self propogation, and a goofy picture of some guy with a
pipe (which I might add, looks more like the pipe's smoking HIM,
rather than vice-versa) I THEN thought: "Wait... It's HARRY
HARRISON I'm after... Who in the hell is HARLAN
ELLISON?!?!?!". At any rate, I became terrified... :)