Pavilion Digest: March 2007

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Pavilion Digest: March 2007

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The following posts contain Art Deco Dining Pavilion messages for the month of March 2007.

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just a question

Postby Barney Dannelke » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:23 am

Name: Barney Dannelke
Source: unca20070325.htm
In reviewing, oh, a few of Harlan's posts, I keep running across the word "summat." Harlan usually uses the lower case and usually uses the word where words like somewhat, kind of, in totality and over all might do. While I suspect Harlan has his reasons for this usage I am not finding this word in dictionaries below the O.E.D. level. And I don't have the O.E.D. handy.

What it looks like is he is substituting "summat" for "summate", as in;

v. summated, summating, summates To sum up: summate a legal argument.
v.intr. To form or constitute a cumulative effect.

In the Grand Scheme of Things where buildings collapse and parents sell their children for food, this is a fart in a hurricane. But since I've been staring at it...


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Question about SPIDER KISS

Postby Carstonio » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:13 am

Name: Carstonio
Source: unca20070325.htm
I have the Armchair Detective hardcover and the Pyramid paperback of SPIDER KISS. I remember reading in the Pavilion that a new edition includes some material that was left out of all previous editions by mistake. Is this correct?

I recently read Gerald Posner's chronicle of Motown, and for some strange reason Diana Ross reminded me of Luther Sellers/Stag Preston. Motown foundered when Berry Gordy focused his attention on making Ross a star, even after the two had ended their affair. One of Posner's sources claimed that Berry said he had created a monster in Ross. But as the book shows, Ross had been jealous and self-obsessed from her earliest days at the label. I suspect that Berry, like Shelly Morgenstern, simply let the monster loose.

(In a moment of silliness, I imagined a different fate for Stag Preston - aging into a tabloid fixture who remains famous mostly for his imperious behavior. "That's 'Mr. Preston' to you, buddy!")

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"Ticktockman: the Beginning"?

Postby Moderator » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:22 am

Name: Steve Barber
Source: unca20070325.htm

At noon on the dot, punctuality will make its debut in Peru. Lateness will be a thing of the past, or so its government hopes.

Sirens will blare and church bells will ring to remind 27 million Peruvians to synchronise their clocks with time set by the Peruvian Navy.

Fed up with the nation's reputation for poor time-keeping, the government is promoting the benefits of being on time in a campaign called "la hora sin demora", or "time without delay".

(*Necesitamos un "tilde", pero Webderland no tiene.)

Given that all these lists are for an avowed pornographer, did I miss mention of EROTOPHOBIA?

Might make a good script, that one.

Davey C.

A', summat, summat.

Postby Davey C. » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:26 am

Name: Davey C.
Source: unca20070325.htm
Summat = somewhat, first drawn through the softening agent of England's Somerset County accent. Rent "Cold Comfort Farm" (the more recent version, with Kate Beckinsale notable for not wearing skintight leather) for a buffet of exemplary vocalizations.

While imdb-ing around just now, I found a reference to a 1995 TV treatment of Wodehouse's "Heavy Weather," featuring god's own Peter O'Toole as Clarence, Earl of Emsworth.



Who, furthermore, would I have to blow to get a copy of this? Might one rent blue monkeys? This is gonna burn in my brain like a taunting vision of the holy grail, else.



Postby Ashwin » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:26 am

Name: Ashwin
Source: unca20070325.htm
BARNEY, me old china: Clearly that diamond geezer Ellison's latest guity pleasure is EASTENDERS or ONLY FOOLS AND HORSES or SUMMAT. Non-standard variant of SOMETHING, innit?

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Dear Jack Skillingstead

Postby Todd Cassel » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:46 am

Name: Todd Cassel
Source: unca20070325.htm
I received the latest Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in the mail the other day. The "next issue" blurb notes a new story by Jack Skillingstead.

Jack, I don't have it in front of me, but I seem to recall that blurb referring to you as someone who has only recently appeared on the market (though I recall seeing your name on stories for some time). Yet, on the board, you are frequently commenting on your age and how it is advanced.

Are you a late bloomer to being a published fiction author? Are you simply not as old as your bones seem to tell you? Or did I misread that blurb?



ANALytical Barney D.

Postby Bueller » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:52 am

Name: Bueller
Source: unca20070325.htm
YO, BARNEY D.: Mayhap yer bein' 2 litter-all when tryin' to figger out what big H izzzz doin' wit da language when writin' "summat." Maybe big H be throwin' down wit the coloquial an' shit like dat, substi2tootin' summat for somewhat or sumpin like dat. Word?
F. Bueller

Jason Michelitch


Postby Jason Michelitch » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:43 am

Name: Jason Michelitch
Source: unca20070325.htm
Regarding the (Unspeakable Name) Channel's website and such:

I would love the ego-stroke of being "in the know" on this whole business, and would call you regarding same, but I do not, it seems, have the number.

My father used to have your number from when you did a signing at his store. Knowing of its confidential nature, we hid it away from prying eyes. We hid it so well in fact, that now, more than a decade later, even we don't know where it is. Also, the dog ate my homework.

If either you or Rick want to send me a contact number via the email adress provided above, along with a convenient time to call, that would be peachykeen with me. However, if you would rather not expend any more time or energy on the matter, do not worry about me pitching a fit. I will be perfectly content merely knowing I was able to help out.

Still. I am dying to know what the hell was going on.

(I have the number for the Great Book Purge, labelled *confidential*, but I figured that was not a regular contact number, and I did not want to go calling anywhich number and go sticking my telephonic self where it don't belong.)

Either which way the wind blows,
All the best,


jeff Sturgeon

where to begin

Postby jeff Sturgeon » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:23 am

Name: jeff Sturgeon
Source: unca20070325.htm
Your work cover alot of ground, not just the miles but visual and mental treats along Ellison Blvd.
All the before named work, all the award winners, the famous ones all justly deserved but for me, the less known stories pack as much punch as the heavyweights, and just recentl reading through some older stuff I had the pleasure of reading a couple not mentioned, I think. Your essays are something else all together.
My short list.

'Rain,Rain Go Away'
'Shattered Like A Glass Goblin'
'Adrift Just Off The Islets Of langerhans
'Latitude 38-54 N, Longitude 77'00' 13 W'

The latter a personal favorite since hearing you read it at the 84 Westercon in Portland, amazing.
Jeff Sturgeon

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REPLY TO Chuck Messer

Postby Jack Skillingstead » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:01 am

Name: Jack Skillingstead
Source: unca20070325.htm
Just call me Jack. I have a few pretensions of dignity, but my salutation isn't among them. Let's see, I had a story in the February Asimov's, so you missed that one, though you could probably still come by a copy. There's a story in the June issue, as well, plus two more in inventory. Realms of Fantasy is publishing something but I don't know when. I'm assuming it will be this year. There's a story in Talebones' Spring issue, whenever that might appear. The reprint is "Life On The Preservation" which will appear in two Year's Best anthologies, one from St. Martin's and the other from Prime Books.

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REPLY TO Todd Cassel

Postby Jack Skillingstead » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:51 am

Name: Jack Skillingstead
Source: unca20070325.htm
Actually it's HARLAN who keeps referring to my advanced age. Sheesh, talk about the kettle...

I think Asimov's will be calling me a "New writer" for years to come, though they also tag me as "popular" from time to time. To answer your question, my first professional sale came in August 2002 and appeared in print about a year later. I don't consider it blooming late, however, since I've been writing like a maniac for decades. There's a quote, maybe it's in one of Harlan's collections, to the effect that "To write is to do battle with trolls." Let's just say my trolls are bigger and meaner than most. I learned early on that I had to write in order to live at all. From that perspective, publication becomes a secondary consideration. My marketing attempts were sporadic at best. Early on the stories stunk so bad, and I was so clueless as to how to fix them, that it seemed mostly pointless to submit them to magazines. Later on I got better, but the Trolls kept beating away with their clubs, and I only occasionally became organized sufficiently to submit anything to market in that relentless fashion every published writer knows is necessary. Part of this was fear. If something is sustaining you, the prospect of having it shot down by strangers who supposedly know their business, is loathsome and crippling. I'm braver now. "Advanced" age does that to you. Or, in many cases, it makes you more of a coward, I guess. I will also say this. I never wrote anything worthwhile until I'd cleared a path to my more unpleasant personal truths. That can take a long time. Anyway, this is starting to feel tedious. So, yeah, I'm a late bloomer. Pfftt!

Tim Walker

Ibsen quote

Postby Tim Walker » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:58 pm

Name: Tim Walker
Source: unca20070325.htm
Jack -- unless I'm mistaken, the quote you refer to was from Ibsen, who said "To live is to war with trolls."

Harlan has referred to it many times in his work, as well as to the following quote from German poet Gunter Eich: "Be uncomfortable. Be sand, not oil, in the machinery of the world."

C. Cooper

My Five ...

Postby C. Cooper » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:39 pm

Name: C. Cooper
Source: unca20070325.htm
Better late than never...I couldn't resist the challenge, actually.

1. Blind Lightning (the first SF story that made me cry as a kid while reading it in the Newark Public Library)
2. On The Downhill Side (my favorite)
3. Croatoan (saw him write it)
4. I'm Looking for Kaddak" (sp?) (heard him read it)
5. "Repent Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman (wow!!)

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Postby Jack Skillingstead » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:39 pm

Name: Jack Skillingstead
Source: unca20070325.htm
Yes, that's it. To "live" not "write." Well...

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