Pavilion Digest: May 2006

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Postby paul » Wed May 03, 2006 1:27 pm

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Source: unca20060606.htm
I put the "Opal" link up, but it apparently isn't accessible any more, or it was incomplete to begin with. Anyway,
as i neglected to say earlier, no matter what mistakes were made, anyone who, on purpose, pays a farthing for "Opal" deserves to be relegated to the Oprah Winfrey Second Hand Clearance Center. Where choice Book Club versions of THE BRIDGES OF MADISON COUNTY'S LOWER EAST SIDE and RENT- A CHILDREN'S PRIMER can be purchased at inflated prices.

Lee~ What you said, sir. With authority!

A to Z alphabet-- I think that same great idea has lent itself to a number of writers (Vonnegut's 'Trout' asides come to mind, in fashion, not form). I hate the thought of wasted 'ideas', but it's true; many of them little darlings just won't mature. Better they be memorialized in bronze, like baby shoes, in their purest form- the sentence that bade forth from the mind. Ensconce them wherever you can. A billboard advertisement on a stretch of busy highway. A barely glimpsed commercial on T.V. A shady group of lawyers. Why a dog would watch her master burn in an empty farmhouse. The name of a doctor, a cheap paperback novel, a jewelry store. The reason a lady of propriety shoots a perfect stranger. Ideas don't always ask to be explicated. Sometimes, like us, they just want their one minute of fame.

Bud Webster's "Encroachment of Willful Ignorance"~ that's the name of my new band.
(i say that about five times a week, usually to over/mis-heard sentences or phrases. This is a great one!)
Now playing at the Paramount: Bud Webster's Encroachment of Willful Ignorance and the Noisy Meat Orchestra!!

I'm selling a new baby item: PIMPERS. It's a diaper with a Velcro crossdraw holster. Be the first on yer block, bee-otch.

Hoping you are the same, 'til AZ,

Disclaimer: Bee-otch is grammaricanilly correct, according to my spellczechecher.

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Postby Ben » Wed May 03, 2006 2:00 pm

Name: Ben Winfield
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Are you looking into possible actors/makeup artists/set designers/general behind-the-scenes crew for THE DISCARDED yet? Or are those particular decisions outside your influence?

(And no, I DON'T intend to offer 'fanboy' suggestions unless you ask for 'em.)

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Postby Doc » Wed May 03, 2006 2:14 pm

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Source: unca20060606.htm
People occasionally do or say things when they're furious that they wouldn't ordinarily do or say. The grievance on behalf of my mother is indeed legitimate, and legal channels are being pursued. Which is, in many ways, somewhat like trying to push chunky peanut butter through a sieve. But as Harlan has pointed out, it's none of the affair of anyone here. I've emailed Rick, and will get in touch with Harlan for the bawling out I have coming. IAIN - I'm sorry you had to see that. This place CAN be a lot of fun. In it's way. Meanwhile, and in closing, anyone feeling they should take me to task or otherwise berate me should please do so in private email at the address I've included, rather than fire shots from the safety of anomymity.

Hail and Farewell,

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed May 03, 2006 2:39 pm

Name: Frank Church
Source: unca20060606.htm
Nystrom, is this your favorite movie list: ... _ukuk.html

If so, I think we may have to have a talk about movie tastes. I see little in the department of older films on your list, and did you know that some of the movies on your list, Harlan has written bad reviews of, like Back To The Future, which I also love?

Where is Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Eraserhead!! I beseech you to undergo a steady diet of Turner Classic Movies in your spare time. You will be the better for it.

I take it you are a young dude. We forgive you. With age will come a wisdom, as long as you listen to your elite brothers in arms. We wield the sword, and a bucket of popcorn the size of the Hindenburg.

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Postby Duane » Wed May 03, 2006 3:03 pm

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I thought Harlan loved Back To The Future. Or was it Bill & Ted's? I'm pretty sure I remember him talking up one of those two movies.


Chris, you may benefit from the following information.

Postby Shane » Wed May 03, 2006 3:06 pm

Name: Shane
Source: unca20060606.htm
Chris in St. Louis,
For a longer version of the same article, check out: ... ula28.html

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If Grateful Dead groupies are called Dead Heads...

Postby remarck » Wed May 03, 2006 3:13 pm

Name: Keith Cramer
Source: unca20060606.htm
what are Ellison groupies called?

Edge Jumpers?

I like to think of myself as Dreamcurious.

See y'all in Tempe. Our pal Harlan is being honored.


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...loving family chats indeed

Postby Keeney » Wed May 03, 2006 3:54 pm

Name: Keeney
Source: unca20060606.htm

When you were at MINICON you mentioned that Minnesota's own Garrison Keillor is not "on your radar." Perhaps his creation, A PRAIRIE HOME COMPANION sets off alarms?

If not, please allow me to gift you with the sure knowledge that the delightful new Robert Altman film of the same name features a script by Keillor. Don't be afraid to applaud at the curtain. I promise YOU WILL LOVE IT.


Rick Wyatt


Postby Rick Wyatt » Wed May 03, 2006 3:55 pm

Name: Rick Wyatt
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Postby Harlan Ellison » Wed May 03, 2006 5:01 pm

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It's BOTH of them that I love. Both the films, that is; not the both of you; and I mean that in a really manly way. Ahem, kaff kaff, hrmphh. Frank, I could've SWORN I wrote a glowing review of BACK TO THE FUTURE and, as a tripartite gestalt I only LOVE them films. But if you say I panned the first one, maybe you're correct, and my memory is failing me.

But for the record, whatEVER I said back then, I only, ahem, LOVE the film now, in my twi-night years.

Duane, you are absolutely kee-rect, I DID lament what a "raging pustule of stupidity," what a "paean of joy to ignorance," what a template for "all the films extolling the gloryoskity of morons, maroons, ultramaroons and emptyheaded teenage slackers" that I correctly predicted would follow. But...

I never got to write a follow-up, days or months or years later, exposing my own cupidity, because I came to, how shall I put this, came to only LOVE "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" and--do not micturate on my inadequate soul--the even weirder sequel, which was originally to be titled "Bill and Ted Go To Hell" and wound up somewhat nigglingly-named something else later.

So. I DinahShore hugs'n'smooches to both of these films. The one, if I remember correctly, Frank Sweetums, from the unleashing...the other belatedly, and without subsequent venue to revise my initial impression. Same goes for THE SHADOW, which I thought a failure when I big-screened it, and reviewed it thus...only to see it on the small box as a nifty nifty interpretation of my childhood hero.

Have I unmurked the waters for either / both of you.


Yr. pal, Harlan

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Postby Roger Gjovig » Wed May 03, 2006 5:10 pm

Name: Roger Gjovig
Source: unca20060606.htm
I offer one small correction. The scripture quoted a few posts ago is actually "Judge not, lest ye be judged". I'm taking a little road trip to St Joseph,Missouri Saturday. My favorite musical group of all time the Manhattan Transfer, is doing an "unplugged" concert.I'm not sure how different this will be, but since they also have a new album out since the last time I saw/heard them I figured I should hie myself down there. To all of you lucky enough to be with Harlan this weekend, have a great time. Roger


Postby Chris » Wed May 03, 2006 5:40 pm

Name: Chris
Source: unca20060606.htm
Thanks Shane. I saw there was more to that article and I appreciate the link to the unabridged version.

Steve P.-O.

Postby Steve P.-O. » Wed May 03, 2006 5:47 pm

Name: Steve P.-O.
Source: unca20060606.htm
So sweet to hear that HE loved BILL & TED, and its SEVENTH SEAL-inspired sequel. The original is one of those films I urge all my pals to see, and mostly they dig it. (I've also tried convincing friends to watch another favorite, ANDREI RUBLEV, but for some odd reason never get very far with that one...)

Can his review be found in HARLAN ELLISON'S WATCHING, or has it not been collected?

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Postby Todd Cassel » Wed May 03, 2006 5:48 pm

Name: Todd Cassel
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Ahh, half the board is on the way to Paradise in the Desert (OK, maybe not Tempe, but hey, you can see the pretty mountains if you lean at the right angle). Come. Enjoy. See you there. Dress warmly, there's a bit of a nip in the air when the temperature drops below 95.

PS, for any downtime, and for a great view of the Valley Of The Sun, take a drive up South Mountain. Watch the airplanes, the size of ants, as they land BELOW you at Sky Harbor airport. See my house 35 miles northwest (it's the one right there on the corner, with the neat double retaining walls full o' prickly can't miss it)


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Postby KristinRuhle » Wed May 03, 2006 7:07 pm

Name: Kristin A Ruhle
Source: unca20060606.htm
*lays HARLAN ELLISON'S WATCHING hardcover on lap*

Lessee, BACK TO THE FUTURE...HE called it "a celluloid thing as trivial as a Twinkie," "flapdoodle," and "by turns cheaply theatric, coincidental, obvious and moronic." Not to mention way too similar to Heinlein (Heinlein? We're not talking the same league had never really occurred to me to compare them, but of course movie people don't *read* sf) and others. (Yes, I have read TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE...noting the Oedipal/time travel aspect would barely scratch the surface of that great novel.)

And of course, that was the review that was printable! However, I don't recall which if any public appearance(s) Harlan called the film more, um, colorful things, but I'm fairly sure I heard him diss it *somewhere*. (Did anyone get it recorded on tape? Oh well, if something's forgotten, maybe it never happened.)

Well, I enjoyed it the first time around (which is one reason why the younger me would never have imagined I'd post here one day; I thought of Harlan as a movie-hater and rotten *****, because I was going through, um, a media-fan phase then even though I'd read sf since at least the late 70s.) I thought the sequels were awful, though. (Why do several generations of a family recite the same joke over and over, in every decade and century? Is it programmed into their DNA?)

OK, it is now over 20 years later and I think the most witheringly negative reviews are actually the most fun. (Have people here read Roger Ebert's I HATED HATED HATED THIS MOVIE? I can't wait for the next volume of zero-to-two-star films!)

Yes, TCM is a great channel, even if I don't agree that all of the films they show deserve to be called "classic." It is more respectful of movies than most tv networks - showing widescreen films in their original aspect ratio, for instance, which is something the *expensive* premium networks only do if you have the HD versions. It also shows them without cuts or interruptions.

Late this year (I think) will mark the twentieth anniversary of Mr Turner's infamous "colorized" movies. Remember the brouhaha over *that*? Film buffs everywhere..*and* all the people in Hollywood who mostly loathe each other...all getting together to demand Ted Turner's head served on a platter!

Of course, as some pointed out, there are other ways of "desecrating" movies, including practices TV had engaged in for years.

So is Turner (still)? atoning for his sins, or what?

Harlan, have you seen any BAD movies lately????

If *I* could turn back time, I'd skip Minicon and arrange to go to Tempe instead. Congratulations (again) Harlan, and have fun, everybody - looking forward to your stories and maybe even pictures put up somewhere! It sounds like you'll all be having the biggest Webderlander gathering yet. How many are going to LAcon - even for one day???? (They are offering "taster" worldcon memberships which you could probably use if you wanted to see HE and nothing else.)

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