Pavilion Digest: May 2009

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Postby steveperry » Fri May 08, 2009 7:22 am

Name: Steve Perry
Source: unca20090603.htm
Well, L. Ron Hubbard was reputed to be the first science fiction writer to use an electric typewriter, just to throw that into the mix ...

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DREAMS verdict

Postby Adam-Troy » Fri May 08, 2009 8:29 am

Name: Adam-Troy Castro
Source: unca20090603.htm
Along with my friendship with Harlan, my association with Erik Nelson on a project is, in the words of my editor, "a double whammy," so I won't be reviewing DREAMS for scifiwire. Somebody else will, though.

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Harlan, PLEASE note!

Postby Jeff R. » Fri May 08, 2009 8:35 am

Name: Jeff R.
Source: unca20090603.htm
Philadelphia's Franklin Institute (recently also known as just "The Franklin") will soon be presenting something called "Star Trek: The Exhibition," featuring a talking replica of... the Guardian of Forever! Would this be actionable?

Robert Ross

Woolgathering ...

Postby Robert Ross » Fri May 08, 2009 9:37 am

Name: Robert Ross
Source: unca20090603.htm
Been trying to think of titles with "Harlan" in them. There was HARLAN COUNTY U.S.A., if I recall correctly. There was a novel titled HAULIN' several decades ago. I thought of that because I wonder, is there a dialect, southern perhaps, in which "Harlan" sounds like "Haulin'"? "Haulin' ... suppertime! Put down the rabbit and get inside!"

Always been fascinated by writers with the same names, and very similar names. There's Stanley Ellin and Stanley Elkin. More than one John Gardner. Harlan Ellison and Hal Ellson (which was discussed at length in a "Rabbit Hole" some years ago). There's Matthew Carnahan, who wrote the novel SERPENT GIRL (published in paperback as COPPING FREE), and there's Matthew Michael Carnahan, screenwriter of LIONS FOR LAMBS and THE KINGDOM, and unless I'm way off, they are not the same person.

Always been fascinated with how writers write. I suppose it doesn't really matter; but I like knowing that William Styron wrote his novels with number 2 pencils on paper, and Elmore Leonard writes with pen and custom-made yellow paper. David Kelley said he routinely wrote episodes of CHICAGO HOPE, THE PRACTICE, et cetera, in two days, with pen and paper.

And so the decline of civilization continues, as I ponder matters trivial and minute, while the world economy crumbles. It occurs to me I haven't checked my belly button for lint in some time ...

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Star Trek 2.0

Postby Ray Carlson » Fri May 08, 2009 9:44 am

Name: Ray Carlson
Source: unca20090603.htm
Here's a terrific review by Jonah Goldberg: ... YwZmU4N2I=

Andrew F


Postby Andrew F » Fri May 08, 2009 11:15 am

Name: Andrew F
Source: unca20090603.htm
Nice mutant infix, Harlan. Thank you.

Harlan wrote: "ANYfuckingTHINGapparently"

Greg Hurd


Postby Greg Hurd » Fri May 08, 2009 11:15 am

Name: Greg Hurd
Source: unca20090603.htm
Goldberg's assessment might be worthy if A) He wasn't such an asshole and B) He stuck to the movie and stayed out of Obamaland. PASS!

On another note, there's the old Harlan County Band a true kicker band from the burbs of Detroit who managed to lift the Highwaymen MC logo for themselves (and live!). This was at least twenty years ago so I'm not sure if they're still around. I know the bike gang is.

James P. Levy

My two cents on Star Trek

Postby James P. Levy » Fri May 08, 2009 11:30 am

Name: James P. Levy
Source: unca20090603.htm
In response to the effusively positive review in today, which told me, as so many of the reivews I've seen do, that I as a Star Trek fan will love this bagatelle, I posted the following:

Problem for me is, I know these people's backstories.
And these ain't them. Scotty never went to Star Fleet Academy. Chekov would have been nine years old when Kirk graduated from the Academy. Spock is years older than Kirk and served under Christopher Pike (who was not the first captain of the Enterprise, Robert April was) for over 11 years. Need I go on? For this aging Trekkie, these people mean too much to screw around with their stories. I don't need those stories "reinvented". I would like to see them told, in interesting ways that involve drama and ideas. This movie does not, as far as I can tell, do that.

Every review I read mentions something that, if you watched the shows and know the canon, is wrong. Perhaps it's nuts to care, but I do.

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NYT "Best" Trek Episode

Postby Clipping Service » Fri May 08, 2009 11:34 am

Name: Clipping Service
Source: unca20090603.htm
squib, with shout-out to our congenital host:

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Postby Moderator » Fri May 08, 2009 11:49 am

Name: Steve Barber
Source: unca20090603.htm

HARLAN - The paperwork you requested is in the mail, and I took the liberty of printing out and including the NYTimes Arts Beat (mentioned below) in the event you don't have it.

Belatedly: JORDAN -- Way cool. Congrats!!!

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And TIME Magazine

Postby Clipping Service » Fri May 08, 2009 11:53 am

Name: Clipping Service
Source: unca20090603.htm
lists "CITY" as BEST moment of entire ORIGINAL series, number 3 out of entire Star Trek Universe Top Ten....


SOMEHOW, this matters.

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Two things

Postby Adam-Troy » Fri May 08, 2009 11:56 am

Name: Adam-Troy Castro
Source: unca20090603.htm
Depending on which dramatization of Robin Hood you watch, the main villain is Prince John, Guy of Gisbourne, or the Sheriff of Nottingham; other versions omit one or two. Dramatic license is dramatic license. If I can buy Randall Patrick McMurphy as a short person (Nicholson), instead of a big strapping redhead, a few minor changes to a remade TV franchise do not strike me as anything worth getting upset about. That is, assuming the movie works, and I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I argue the principle, not the particular.


Well, it turns out I couldn't review DREAMS anyway, because my editor just watched the pizza with Neil Gaiman...! Harlan, back at cha.

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Of Novels And Electrons

Postby KOS » Fri May 08, 2009 12:38 pm

Name: KOS
Source: unca20090603.htm
Susan says she will part with the book for fifty dollars. Including Priority Mail with insurance and tracking. Just serving as an intermediary here...

Jerry Pournelle often refers to his first PC as being on display in the Smithsonian, the reason being that it was the first PC on which a novel was composed. The novel was "The Mote In God's Eye".

Assuming the above to be true, perhaps in some museum the first typewriter used for that purpose may also reside?

Recently read of a newly published novel that was written on an iPhone or similar device.

A few years ago a London woman, an aspiring novelist, set up a website where one might watch her. by means of a camera attached to her PC, as she wrote. The gimmick was, she was nude when she worked, hence the websites catchy name of "TheNakedNovelist".

I checked it out once, but she was not on camera at the time. There was a short video clip of her available for viewing, but in it she did a "Sally Rand" with strategically placed piles of papers and bookstacks. As Richard Curtis once told me, "Softly, softly, catchee monkey!"

It was most definitely not a porn site, though she was quite attractive. The Naked Novelist hoped her display of assets might serve as an cleverly effective means of marketing herself. I don't know if she sold the book or is still shivering at the typer?

Say, I recall reading IIRC in "Alone Against Tomnorrow" that Harlan wrote "Pretty Maggie Moneyeyes" in the nude. How about that, a "nude" category of literature!


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Reveratrol and more.

Postby Alan Coil » Fri May 08, 2009 12:40 pm

Name: Alan Coil
Source: unca20090603.htm
Resveratrol--Longevinex, 2711 East Craig Road, Suite K, North Las Vegas, Nevada, 89030; 866-405-4000.

Longevinex is the best resveratrol on the market.

Also, with the good Doctor's okay, all heart patients should be taking:

Coenzyme Q-10


D-ribose a nutritional supplement. "Corvalen is a nutritional supplement designed to help rebuild depleted energy stores in tissue. Cellular energy deficiency may lead to fatigue, muscle pain, soreness and stiffness." Corvalen, Bioenergy Life Science, Inc., Minneapolis, Minnesote, 55304, 866-267-8253.

I take all 3 supplements daily, and have found my energy better, and my sleep seems more restful. There are a few heart surgeons in the US that refuse to perform non-emergency operations until the patient has been taking D-ribose for a few days prior to surgery.

Some professional athletes take D-ribose before and after athletic events. It helps them recover faster.

James Van Hise

The new Trek movie

Postby James Van Hise » Fri May 08, 2009 12:41 pm

Name: James Van Hise
Source: unca20090603.htm
A lot less is changed than you think. Star Trek the Motion Picture made more changes in the canon than this film does. It's the little things that they don't change that brought a smile to their face, like keeping the classic 1960s uniforms, which the recent TV series Enterprise couldn't be bothered with. As an old Trek fan I have to say that this is the greatest Star Trek fan fiction story ever written. The Star Trek movies had long since lost their way. This film finds it again.

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