Pavilion Digest: April 2009

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David Silver
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A reply for Harlan...

Postby David Silver » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:30 am

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Hey Harlan, you wrote: "...when he hits a wall or anything else, him don't spin and run away...just curious if there is an adjustment me can me make?"

No, there's nothing to adjust. Actually, the way it works, it doesn't change direction specifically because it hits anything. That's just the impression it gives. It changes direction when the wheels sense resistance. So if it runs into something that stops it from going forward, and the wheels feel the resistance, it spins away on a totally random new direction. The same thing would happen if you held it in place and pressed down. The drive wheels would start steering in different directions in an effort to relieve the resistance. However, it it runs into something that stops it from going forward, and the wheels keep spinning underneath because they aren't grabbing anything, it just keeps pointing in the same direction. The wheels really should have been made of rubber rather than plastic. When I did a test run on the linoleum floor of my apartment, when it crashed into things it wouldn't change direction. You could hear the wheels spinning freely underneath. But when I tested it on the cement floor of the basement, it not only would change direction, but it did a pretty darn good job of chasing my big orange tabby under the work bench! I thought it was great fun, but the cat wasn't too pleased. Anyway, it's now all working as it should. Despite the fragile built-in obsolescence of the mechanism, I was able to rig a better connection for the little "pop driver" to activate the smashing arms again, so it's good as new. I can't say how long it will last, I suppose your mileage depends on how hard you drive it, but I noticed the wheels were worn pretty smooth on this one, and toys are meant to be played with! Have fun!

All the best,


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Postby Dennis C » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:58 am

Name: Dennis C
Source: unca20090603.htm
Sorry for the double posting, but there's a nice big article on Robert Silverberg in today's LA Times Calendar section, talking a lot about DYING INSIDE (a subject discussed here recently). I guess he's going to be at the L.A. Book Fair this weekend. Hope he'll see his pal HE while he's here... ... 2888.story

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Postby john zeock » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:33 am

Name: john zeock
Source: unca20090603.htm
DTS- if I gave the impression that I had the impression that you didn't think Harlan didn't deserve it I apologize. That was a "why not, Harlan ?" addressed to the universe at large. As in "and why not Stephen King ?" (could you just imagine ? The critical establishment would spontaneously combust...)I would be shocked if they gave it to Rushdie, as much as he deserves it, because of the political turmoil that would ensue (I suspect politics had something to do with Greene and Borges and Mailer, for that matter, not getting it.) And while we get Harlan the Nobel why not a MacArthur as well. Does anyone know the actual criteria for that ? Afer all Octavia Butler, Jonathan Lethem and George Saunders have received it so it's not as if they avoid writers who are fantasists. And after we get one for Harlan ,let's move on Howard Waldrop who is also a genius.

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Postby john zeock » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:35 am

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Source: unca20090603.htm
"didn't deserve" should read "deserved". I think. Damn antihistamines...

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A Juan, and Adieu

Postby KOS » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:07 am

Name: KOS
Source: unca20090603.htm
Jan: Thanks for the "heads up" on my gender confusion. I did know that "Jan" is a version of John, Juan, Ivan, Joao et. al. I had thought that recently someone here of a certain gravitas and long time poster status referred to you with a feminine pronoun. I must have misread said comment, must have. My apologies. I know the feeling of being the subject of such confusion. My name is so uncommon for a male these days in the US of A that the mail regularly brings free samples of panryhose and feminine hygiene products. I have a standing offer to join the Womens Book Club. I have a coupon for a discounted weekend at the Glen Eden Spa, including full body pore cleansing with cucumber mask facial.

I'm thinking of sending the latter to Frank Church.


I have found that the "little mousy beds" (a fur lined piss pot to the person that names the source of THAT little gem!) are great for laying down shoe polish upon my paratrooper boots, and that the panty hose will buff said Number Tens to a faretheewell.

Just so's you bums know this Ellison Kid is alright, and knows his Shinola, here is a sample of Don Marquis (pronounced "mar-kwis"), on New York City at sunset. You can read the entire piece at: ... ect_state/

"We used sometimes to walk over the Brooklyn Bridge, that song in stone and steel of an engineer who was also a great artist, at dusk, when the tides of shadow flood in from the lower bay to break in a surf of glory and mystery and illusion against the tall towers of Manhattan. Seen from the middle arch of the bridge at twilight, New York with its girdle of shifting waters and its drift of purple cloud and its quick pulsations of unstable light is a miracle of splendor and beauty that lights up the heart like the laughter of a god."

Marquis then proceeds to take that observation in a surprising and wonderful direction. You ought to read it.

You can also go to a lovely website called

Sadly, I had never read Marquis until yesterday. This Ellison Kid seems to rarely give a fellow a bum steer. Two thumbs up, and a "Hey, Rube!" for this one.


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Postby KOS » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:09 am

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Zack Malatesta


Postby Zack Malatesta » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:16 pm

Name: Zack Malatesta
Source: unca20090603.htm
I just heard about J.G. Ballard.

I had a buddy in high school who asked me once what I read for fun. I don't know what I told him, but it must have been the class prescribed reading plus some Star Wars genre fiction (these being the only things I can remember picking up way back then). Whatever I said, he whipped out a copy of CONCRETE ISLAND and told me it would blow my mind. O baby. It was the craziest shit I'd ever read, it kicked my ass so hard I got a black eye, and it paved the way for writers such as Vonnegut, Thompson, Dick, Ellison, etc., to keep on kicking my entire ass with the boots of fucking truth. And now I am on my way to kicking the asses of a whole new world of naive classicists and virginal, shitfiction devotees.

So here's to the Original Ass Kicker, the crazy English motherfucker.

damn damn damn


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Postby Harlan Ellison » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:07 pm

Source: unca20090603.htm

Go ahead, take a turn at the plate. Swing for the dangling fan in center-left, the one hanging over the Cut Plug billboard. See if you can sort out just my top ten. It's not as if you have to venture into Darkest Obscurantia to find ready nominees.

In fact, I'll cut you a corner. Here are two or three that are so well-known and obvious, you won't have to waste any of your slots:

1. Cats.
2. Cauliflower, Brussels Sprouts, Okra, Rutabaga, Lima Beans, Broccoli, Asparagus, Lemon Grass, Cilantro.
3. Forrest J. Ackerman and Dick Cheney.

Go ahead, Barber, let's see how well you can do. You been hangin' 'round here long enough to win a pink stuffed floppybunny. Let's see if you can separate such as "pinheads on twitter" from "kiddie pornographers" or "those who spell it 'Edgar ALLEN Poe'" from litterbugs.

Yr. Pal, Harlan

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Criminal Minds Quote

Postby Alan » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:21 pm

Name: alan
Source: unca20090603.htm
"Once a couple say they love each other,they become liars."

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Postby FrankChurch » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:53 pm

Name: Frank Church
Source: unca20090603.htm
I do know Harlan hates Sushi, as do I.

He really hates Frank Church, I do know that. hehe.


Boy, the right is going hog nutty about the Obama, Chavez handshake. I haven't seen this kind of insane hyperbole since Bill Clinton got his rod cleansed.

Obama cannot bow to the king of Saudi Arabia, but Bush held his hand. Sure, bowing to that scumfuck is not kosher (hehe, kosher), but I am not the President either.

Reagan almost tongue kissed and jacked off Gorby the Red, but nobody on the right spat venom. Chavez is a democratically elected leader, loved by his people, but he's the bad guy.

The whole history of Presidents playing footsie with bad guys would swell the Public Library in hell.

And what about that fat fuck Gingrich? That toadstool should have his natters fried in mama's skillet.

The right amuse me--their downfall is fun to watch.


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Postby Alan Coil » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:54 pm

Name: Alan Coil
Source: unca20090603.htm
I love it when Harlan starts talking dirty--" stuffed floppybunny."


I share Harlan's intense dislike of names being misspelled. Stephen Hawking, not Steven, as I once typed here. It was a mechanical error, not one of ignorance.

I once saw, in a Liz Smith or Liz-Smith-type column, Harlan referred to as Harland Allison.

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Postby Chuck Messer » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:04 pm

Name: Chuck Messer
Source: unca20090603.htm
I'm going library-hopping to check out some Ballard. It's been a while and I think a little appreciation would be appropriate.

How's about building a limerick? Here's a start:

There once was a douchebag named Rush
Who needed a punch in the mush...

Okay, take it from there.

My two all-time favorite movie titles:

SERGENT KABUKIMAN, NYPD! I can't say it without sounding like Westlake Van Voorhees.

DIE YOU ZOMBIE BASTARDS! Any movie that has a superhero with bad teeth consult with a rastafarian in a bubblebath while a topless punk lady plays OPERATION (the Goofy Game for Dopey Doctors) and squeals with pain and ecstasy every time the game buzzes can't be all bad.

Or it is all bad, but that doesn't matter. Sort of.


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Postby Brad Stevens » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:44 pm

Name: Brad Stevens
Source: unca20090603.htm
"I have found that the "little mousy beds" (a fur lined piss pot to the person that names the source of THAT little gem!"

Curiously, the IMDB don't list this as one of the film's 'memorable quotes':

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Postby Moderator » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:22 pm

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In response: Stay Tuned.

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Postby Cindy » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:39 pm

Name: Cindy
Source: unca20090603.htm
I was the one who failed to do my homework...again. I didn't read the posts in toto and assumed--- making an ass out of me and me. I took the perfectly interesting topic of overrated films and perverted it into the (grimace) top-- uhhm ten.

It fucking figures. My daughter, Savannah, told me I've been boring the hell out of her lately too. You see-- I grew this superb lettuce in my garden. I made the mistake of referencing it in a conversation-- or uh, everytime I talked to her. Now she refers to it as the "L" word and says if I mention it again she'll hang up on me.

I know it's my fault. My best friend Becky sarcastically asked me to expound on the quality of my soil... then begged me to give her a chew by chew description of how I eat it.

I'm really going to shut up now. I'm falling... asleep.



Hey Steve Barber! You talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?

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