Pavilion Digest: April 2009

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Sam Wilson


Postby Sam Wilson » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:31 pm

Name: Sam Wilson
Source: unca20090603.htm
Any SAG members unhappy with the ouster of our negotiator with the studios (Doug Allen)and the gagging of our president Alan Rosenberg, not to mention the pile-o-crap the AMPTP is trying to force on us by way of a contract:

Tomorrow 4/2/09, at AMPTP/MPAA offices at the Galleria in Sherman Oaks, Ventura and Sepulveda Blvds, there will be a rally from

11am -2pm

to protest.

Concerned SAG members have been protesting, under the leadership of actor Scott Wilson, at such venues as the Fox Studios, the Dept of Justice in LA, etc. Edward Asner has attended and spoken out on our behalf. We are attempting to get anti-trust movement going, among other things. Now is the time to get involved in your future!

This info is posted on the WGA site also, by a WGA member for those WGA members interested, who were not happy with the WGA contract.


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Postby Roger Gjovig » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:30 pm

Name: Roger Gjovig
Source: unca20090603.htm
I was flipping through the channels last night and landed on the new Osborne Family show with Ozzie and the rest of his family and thought I would take a look. Wrong choice! I lasted just five minutes before I had to turn it off and run wretching to the bathroom before I lost my supper. Is our desire for good entertainment so down in the pits that anyone could find crap like this palatable? God help us.


City original Teleplay

Postby Ross » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:53 pm

Name: Ross
Source: unca20090603.htm
After reading about this Original Teleplay in Blish's adaptations of the series long ago, I finally found and purchased a copy. I have barely got into perils of the city and already some of my suspicions about how things were done have been addressed.
I have been the victim of some "revisionist" history and know firsthand how they do it.
I am enjoying this book. I realize what happened is an "unpleasant" business to say the least, but I thank you for haveing made the Original Teleplay available again. I'll come back in a few days to say how much I liked it.
I never bought into the self serving BS that so many have "put out" and have searched for the original for many years! Thanks again for getting it published again.


Question and Comment

Postby Elias » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:12 pm

Name: Elias
Source: unca20090603.htm
Mr. Ellison,

Is it legal to send someone an email containing the URL (link) to this forum containing your March 29,2009 essay on Batman's BatBoxers?

The recipient would click on the link and be brought to this forum. Just checking first.


I recently purchased 3 different Adam magazines containing stories by yourself and Robert Bloch for $15 on ebay.

In addition I recently paid $47 for a copy of the limited edition "Repent, Harlequin!" portfolio by Jim Steranko and autographed by the both of you.

I thought you might be interested in case you want to do some spring cleaning.

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Postby Josh Olson » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:54 pm

Name: Josh Olson
Source: unca20090603.htm
Harlan's taken the day off from pissing off the right wing nutbars, so I'm picking up the slack....

From time to time, I pop over to Joe Dante's place and shoot commentaries for his very wonderful movie lover's site Trailers From Hell. On Monday, my latest went up, and for the first time, Joe passed on some bits of hate mail it generated. I'm very, very proud of my work on this site, but never as proud as I was today when I saw the hate mail.

The commentary that sparked the outrage is here:

And some of the outrage is here: ... l#comments

(You have to scroll past the Maurice Jarre piece)

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Trailers from Hell

Postby reddragon70 » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:41 am

Name: Iain Aitken
Source: unca20090603.htm
Oh dear, some people obviously have the following

1. Absolutely no sense of objectivity

2. No sense of humour

3. No idea that in fact they are bigotted/racist/other predjudiced (delete as applicable)

4. Are so blinded by their own right wing view that enything else is pure communism in their eyes

FOr myself I found the article on the movie quite illuminating and intriguing. If it was possible to get hold of the movie in the UK I probably would give it a look. Partly because I love Blazing Saddles but also because I have alway had a love of 70s cinema. Ok so the subject matter may not be very policically correct now, however it is a film of its time and is a reflection of that time.

Just remember that at the time of this movie it was not a long while since blacks had to sit at the back of buses, had to use different toilets and drink from black only water fountains. So perhaps far from exploiting the black community as hollywood pickaninny comic relief this is an excercise on empowerment for the black community. And good luck to them I say.

Good work Josh and please keep it up.

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Trailers From Hell

Postby Dennis C » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:42 am

Name: Dennis C
Source: unca20090603.htm
I won't even bother dealing with the Yahoos who trashed Josh's commentary. It's beneath all of our dignity to even speak of them.

Let's just point out that the movie in question (BOSS NIGGER -- there, I wrote it, and it's OK!) was directed by the great Jack Arnold, who also directed CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON and THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN.

So now I must seek out the film in question and see it as soon as possible.

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Postby Chuck Messer » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:10 am

Name: Chuck Messer
Source: unca20090603.htm
I've been a fan of Trailers From Hell since I discovered the site by accident a few months ago. I believe I was looking for info on the movie, "Five Million Years to Earth", or "Quatermass and the Pit". It was there I finally saw what Josh Olson looked like and heard commentary from several film professionals.

Joe Dante can be a little hard to understand at times, but I like what he says.

As for "Boss Nigger", I have the trailer on a DVD, "42nd Street Forever". It contains a number of exploitation movie trailers including several with titles containing the dreaded "N" word. The use of the word was meant as a way to give "The Man" the middle finger. I'm also glad Jack Arnold was the director of the subject movie. I'll have to see that one and "The Legend of Nigger Charlie" sometime.

And if I were a self-respecting conservative, I wouldn't want to associate myself with Rush Slimebaugh or Ann "Lady Bathory" Coulter. They're not conservatives, at least not in the modern USA sense. They're Radical Nationalists.


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Postby FrankChurch » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:18 am

Name: Frank Church
Source: unca20090603.htm
I go to the Trailers From Hell site and look for Ms. 45, a favorite film, and guess who does the commentary? You got it, our Josh, who looks a lot like me, actually. Ms. 45 was disturbing, to say the least.

Didn't know about Boss Nigger. I must point out to Mr. Olson that it was me who taught you guys how to hate whitey. There is certainly no way in hell that title would be used today. NAS can't even do an album with the title.

Like Paul Mooney used to say:

"I say Nigger all the time. It makes my teeth white."


Africa, Blood and Guts is just wrong. Shameful.

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Osbourne Family

Postby Midnight » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:13 am

Name: Mary
Source: unca20090603.htm

You are a voice in the otherwise very noisy and not so bright crowd that sees past the so called entertainment value (of which there is none) of the foolishness called the Osbourne Family.

If that family has nothing better to do than to air their problems (which are boring as hell) and their potty mouths, let us hope that others will see the wisdom of your words and simply...

Say it with me folks...


Just one button will either turn off the television or send a viewer in the direction of something with more intellectual stimulation.

Reading works too...Right, Uncle Harlan?

Travis Yoder

My thirtieth post here (yes, that�s correct)

Postby Travis Yoder » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:26 am

Name: Travis Yoder
Source: unca20090603.htm
DAVID SILVER, the lengthy and expensive post recount process now complete, I do hereby affirm and certify it as accurate. That is official. Would I lie? Moi?!

By the way, I forgive your renaming me Stan as Ive learned it means stony field, and I do feel like that some days.


JAN, I dont know how my post merited my becoming the target of such splenetic incontinence as yours displayed. Im guessing--by your own lights, mind you--that you posted on the wrong time of day, on not enough sleep, and after the hot chick in the corner didnt smile at you. Having a stony field day yourself, were you?

I wasnt comparing humans to animals; I was merely reaffirming that we ARE animals. Eukaryota, animalia, eumetazoa, chordata, vertebrata, mammalia, theria, primates, hominoidea, hominidae, homininae, hominini, hominina, homo sapiens, homo sapiens sapiens, to be quite precise about it. And thus any behavior some would label animalistic or animal-like, usually with the connotation that it should be beneath people, is actually perfectly natural.

And I think there IS need to philosophize, as there is need to write and read and dance and decorate and play chess and try new recipes and take photographs and build sand castles and make new years resolutions and express opinions and think out loud sometimes and all the things that only the human animal does. The thought-experimentation we call philosophizing, which need not result in any particular philosophy with a capital P, can help keep us engaged in that elegant upward struggle. Your own attitude is fairly in line with my thinking: using a perspective based on simple observation to arrive at some better emotional equilibrium. Were not far apart on this point.

And, no, theres no problem with my shift key. I experienced a rare charged need for a passionate expression of vicarious battle fever. If this site allowed italicizing, bolding and/or underlining, Idve employed them. Im pleased to know you and others share my feelings of support in H.E.s crusade. Visitors to this site also share an emphatic admiration for his work; should they not express that passionately either? Had I known you were feeling so Stan yesterday, Idve kept it to a whisper. Tip-toe-ing away nowssssssshhhh, everyone

(P.S. I enjoyed those Pip Lagenta photos. Thanks very much for posting that Flickr link.)


JOHN E., that Glenn Beck is indeed a case study, isnt he? Whereas Limbaugh hurls his flabby ego at us, and Coulter spews all the bile her noodle frame can secrete, Beck has opted for some creepy deer-in-the-headlights tack. He seems bent on giving himself ulcers. Its fascinating to watch the neoconservative end of the spectrum fly apart these days.


JOSH OLSOEOEOEON, thanks for turning me on to this kick-ass website! And youre in some venerable company there; I see, the estimable Jack Hill, no less. I loved your comments on the film in question, and as Im a western-nut and Ive been on a blaxploitation kick lately, Boss (DVD title) just shot to the top of my NetFlix queue. The annoying thing about that miffed respondent is that he himself may indeed not be racist at all, but hes griping out of the side of his mouth if he misses Limbaughs perhaps-not-on-the-nose-but-in-no-way-subtle message that Obama doesnt fit HIS mainstream partly because of race.

Browsing that page, I couldnt agree with you more about Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia. Ive never seen the late Warren Oates in a bad performance, and its a joy to see him in a rare lead role. Did you happen to see him in Monte Hellmans The Shooting? If Alfred Garcia is a hangover, Shooting is like the daze after smoking half a bowl.

Im half-ashamed to admit Ive seen Candy Stripe Nurses, though my fevered memory mixes it up with Candy Stripers, the first porno I ever saw. Ah, the 1970s were a moist, hairy time to come of age, were they not?


30 posts old*sigh*all downhill from here,

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Postby Alan Coil » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:08 pm

Name: Alan Coil
Source: unca20090603.htm
Forgive me if this was previously mentioned, but Harlan is very briefly mentioned in this post by Mark Rothman about Tom Snyder. ... nyder.html

I miss Tom. He was like a trusted uncle to me even though we never met.

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Postby Jan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:27 pm

Name: Jan
Source: unca20090603.htm
Travis, I thought it was clear I wasn't referring exclusively or particularly to you, but in your case the phrase was

"I wanted to say that if we could merely adopt a perspective of acceptance--...--on the animal horror that is humanity"

...we would all be dancing cheerfully etc. (Hey, great idea. Will you also be selling the dope?)

You were likening humans to animals and making both look bad at the same time. And now you're saying (or reaffirming) we *are* animals. Are you an animal, Travis? And what gave you the idea I'm against "philosophizing" in general? I love to see people taking their first intellectual steps here, as long as they stop likening humans or stupid people or whomever to animals. This was for clarification only. Be nice to me.

James Van Hise

Osbourne Family

Postby James Van Hise » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:34 pm

Name: James Van Hise
Source: unca20090603.htm
The only so-called "reality" show I ever saw which was worse than the glimpse I had of the Osbournes, was the E-Channel's train wreck starring Anna Nicole Smith. She was clearly on some kind of drug in the clips I endured, so much so that someone should have intervened rather than stared. Instead both she and her 19 year old son wound up dying of drug overdoses within months of each other. Someone pointed out back then that her short-lived show premiered right AFTER TV Guide had published an article on the 50 Worst TV Shows of all time, otherwise her's would have won hands down.

Jerry Seward

Golden Anniversary of DETENTION - the 17th Worldcon in Detro

Postby Jerry Seward » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:58 pm

Name: Jerry Seward
Source: unca20090603.htm
This is the 50th anniversary year of the only WORLDCON hosted in DETROIT, MI.

The 17th World Science Fiction Convention, also known as DETENTION, was held September 4-7, 1959 at the Pick-Fort Shelby Hotel.

Admission was $2 for the weekend.

The guests of honor were:

Poul Anderson (pro) - paid his own way to and at the convention.

John Berry (fan) - was brought to North America by a special fan fund.

The toastmaster was Isaac Asimov "...with the assistance of Robert Bloch." Asimov had been listed as the Toastmaster in all promotional material prior to the convention. At the con, the program book added "...with the assistance of Robert Bloch."

Total attendance was 371.

* The 1958 Hugo Awards were presented:

o Best Novel: A CASE OF CONSCIENCE by James Blish

o Best Novelette: "The Big Front Yard" by Clifford D. Simak

Commentary at ... 1958-1959/

o Best Short Story: "That Hell-Bound Train" by Robert Bloch

Commentary at ... 1958-1959/

o Best Professional Artist: Frank Kelly Freas

o Best Professional Magazine: F&SF

More information on the Pick-Fort Shelby Hotel:

Fan David Kyle also attended and had this to say:

The best drinking party I ever enjoyed took place at DETENTION, the 1959 Detroit Worldcon.

"The invitation read: '10pm Cass Room, Bheer Party. Bring your Bheer Credits. Meet your favorite authors. Light Bheer, Dark Bheer, Rhoot Bheer. The DETENTION Committee is host -- if you can still read this, go find a party.' After the masquerade - which unlike today's affairs was simple, brief, and over with before eleven o'clock - pitchers of beer were placed on tables.

"Ruth began a bridge game with DETENTION co-chairmen Roger Sims and Fred Prophet, and (probably) Carolyn Hickman while I kibitzed. About eleven o'clock, a panel began in the next room, which may well have been the longest-running Worldcon panel of all time. It went on hour after hour into the night... and so did the card game. Various persons would wander in from the panel and report its progress to the "bheer" drinking players, then wander back.

"The panel members were in a perpetual state of flux.

"Several times I rotated in and out as a panel member or spectator, catching Ruth's score and trying to slake my unquenchable thirst. The pitchers of beer seemed unending. It was the best dark beer - dark bheer, that is - I have ever drunk (and I speak as a veteran resident of England). That night is memorable - ask anyone who was there!

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