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Women writers and truncated careers

Postby C. Cooper » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:45 am

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BRIAN: You are quite right. Katha is pretty sharp, and her essays are frequently a delight to read.

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Another response to Mr. Boop.

Postby Darryl » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:28 am

Name: Darryl
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Mr. Boop. Im a political junkie. Keep close track of all things political, vote in every election (even the ones for local 'dog catcher' type races). As many here know, Im black, and feel it is my duty and responsibility to vote, not only to honor and respect those who - in living memory mind you - sacrificed homes, livelihoods and in some cases LIVES in order to fight for my right to vote.

Stating the case for your political views are necessary in a free society, I believe. I respect the opinions of those who disagree with my views.

While Im sure you mean well, youre incorrect. I know that you can find some anonymous posting on an obscure blog or comments section of a website from someone who 'hoped' President Bush failed. As many have mentioned here, no one, but NO ONE of Rush Limbaughs 'stature' said, recorded, wrote such drivel.

Rushs comments are a continuation of the failed Republican view that if one demonizes their opponent enough, something is going to stick. Obamas a socialist? Wasnt born in this country? Shouldnt be president because his father wasnt a citizen? Hes never had a job, was a community organizer? Yesterday, Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC), stated FOR ATTRIBUTION, 'We will lose on legislation. But we will win the message war every day, and every week, until November 2010. Our goal is to bring down approval numbers for (Speaker Nancy) Pelosi and for House Democrats. That will take repetition. This is a marathon, not a sprint.' Creative solution to our current crises, no?

Read history, and hear the echoes. Helen Douglas was 'pink right down to her underwear' (Nixons first win for congress, implying that she was a commie). Whisper campaigns, planting the seed, say something a thousand times, and uninformed people take it for fact. Thats no way to run a company, much less a country.

No one in their right mind should say that they want an American president to fail. Well, unless youre talking Nixonian taking out the Constitutional safeguards (Saturday Night Massacre, 'If the president does it, that means it is not illegal').

During the FAILED (I didnt want him to fail, he did that all by his widdle self) presidency of George W. Bush, I was pulling for us to succeed. I didnt think we would, I agreed with many who said that if you cut taxes during wars of indeterminate length, disagreed with Cheney who said that 'Reagan proved deficits dont matter', disagreed with their policies on education, Civil Rights, Gay Rights, Voting Rights, climate change specifically (we have to call it climate change now, because the deniers point to the sky during every snowstorm and chortle 'Global Warming, huh?') and the environment generally, appointment of judges and justices, and on and on, but still I wanted us to succeed. Why? Fair question.

Unlike some who hold knee-jerk political opinions, I realize that were all in this together. Who benefits from an economy in free-fall, double-digit unemployment in California, uncertainty in the workplace - virtually all workplaces - and a 401K thats turned into a 200.5J? No freaking body benefits. We need to pull the oars together, or drift aimlessly for the foreseeable future. Rush Limbaugh wants us to fail because he wants political power for the party he supports? Definition of idiocy, in my book.

Sane fiscal policy, support for education, support for science policy supported by peer- reviewed research rather than mistranslations of millennia-old texts? Im for it. Unabashedly, with joy in my heart, FOR IT.

Mr. Boop, what are you for?

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Why The Founding Fathers Would Want Obama's Plans to Fail

Postby Ray Carlson » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:28 am

Name: Ray Carlson
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For your consideration. ... 92107.html

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Postby markabaddon » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:42 am

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Just saw this article about floating cities on CNN and it reminded me somewhat of Alan Dean Foster's Cachalot: ... index.html

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Postby Rick Ollerman » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:11 am

Name: Rick Ollerman
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TOR Books has a page on their site called "The Ten Most Influential Science Fiction & Fantasy Anthologies/Anthology Series." Guess what's number 1? ... g&id=17022

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Postby Moderator » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:41 am

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"TOR Books has a page on their site called "The Ten Most Influential Science Fiction & Fantasy Anthologies/Anthology Series." Guess what's number 1?"

STAR TREK: Strange New Worlds VII?

(Oh, I am *so* dead.)

I'm planning to go to the New Beverly Thursday night for a flick or two. Jason Davis and his loverly bride may join me. If you -- you, you in the corner: KOS, Morgan, Tanja, Duane, Rob??? (Anybody, anybody?) -- are planning to go, ya wanna grab a hot dog beforehand???

(Send me an email, please don't clutter up the Pav.)

Should be fun. (The movie show and commentaries, not the 'dog.)

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a quandary seeking guidance

Postby TallyJohnson » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:51 am

Name: Tally
Source: unca20090314.htm
I have a bit of a dilemna. My publisher's revised contract says that they have right of first refusal for ANY of my writings for 2 years from signing and for any in a similar vein as long as the 3rd book is in print. I signed in October 2008. As some of you know, I have written a novella combining the Wild Hunt myth with the reputed hauntings on old US 666 in New Mexico. The publisher specializes in local history collections and a touch of ghost lore. They have published fiction, mainly reprints of local authors, but it's not their focus. Since my other books are all SC ghost lore, I assume this would cover the novella (or novel if it is expanded out). The word count is close to what I've already published.

Should I send in the manuscript?

Concerning Rush: Some old-guard Republicans wanted FDR to fail in the 30s, but only so we could try out socialism or some flavor of dictatorship. Of course, they wanted TR to fail too.

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Postby Bodkin » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:51 am

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Ray, how does the system of checks and balances Madison describes advocate the failure of our current, or any, administration? I also wonder if anyone calling for the Obama administration's failure has thought ahead to what that failure to "fix" our problems might mean.

I further wonder if the headline writer read the article.

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Postby Roger Gjovig » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:03 am

Name: Roger Gjovig
Source: unca20090314.htm
I went to the "Watchman" movie yesterday simply because of the discussion here on the board. I was not acquainted with any info about it other than what I've been reading here. I've seen a lot of super hero movies un the past and this certainlly fits that mold. It was somewhat entertaining for the most part but at nearly three hours was a long sit. Lucky I had not had much to drink before the movie, I hate running out to the restroom in the middle of the show. I do not believe,like sone of you, that it is one I would see again, it was too violent for me, at least compared to my usual choice of movies. It had a very unusual slection of songs on the soundtrack, most good, but 99 Luftballoons was a very odd choice. At any rate, I did see it, now on to the nest one.

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Postby FrankChurch » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:59 am

Name: Frank Church
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Dorman, how dare you accuse Harlan of being a cracklehead.

I liked your story about your Kansas City "connection" and how she had Harlan's fix and how, if he played his cards right, Harlan could get some crackle shipped to him--I'm sure with coffee grounds with it--so that he could get his crackle and get that crackle monkey off his back.

I don't know Harlan personally, but I do know that he can hold his crackle.

Shameful. Harlan has self control. He can control his crackle urge. Susan just slaps his hand.


I refuse to watch Watchman because of Gaza...

Jus' kiddin.

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Postby Dennis C » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:08 pm

Name: Dennis C
Source: unca20090314.htm
Several of you have mentioned that you're fans of Hammer Films. A great book just came out called HAMMER FILMS: A LIFE IN PICTURES by Wayne Kinsey -- marvelous, rare photos behind-the-scenes of almost all their films, including rarities (and faves of mine) like Joseph Losey's THESE ARE THE DAMNED and the psychological thrillers PARANOAIC and MANIAC. It's pricey -- and only 2500 were printed. But it's good.


Gonna have to miss the New Bev screening -- working nights that particular date. Argh. But I'll make it for DWST, I swear...

Zack Malatesta

Postby Zack Malatesta » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:33 pm

Name: Zack Malatesta
Source: unca20090314.htm
Harlan Ellison,

Did you ever set yourself on fire? Either by accident or on purpose? Just wondering....

Your fiend,

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Still No Country for Old Men

Postby kevinkirby » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:51 pm

Name: K.M.Kirby
Source: unca20090314.htm
A library copy of that award-winning movie, No Country for Old Men, made it through my pc's dvd player sunday night, with only four or five restarts (due to the usual odd surface nicks and scrapes) before making to the ending. Wow, what a film! I'm guessing that the screenplay follows the book pretty closely. How often does a big movie, like that one, end on a philosophical summation by a late-entering, almost secondary character, after the presumed villain is shown making a getaway?

Still, the whole thing makes for a fairly accurate depiction of immigration issues. In a "sanctuary" city like this one, it's common to meet characters depicted in No Country for Old Men, typically, on a day-to-day basis. Only here, the resigned "authority figure" will give the "psychopath" the glad hand, even while both openly stalk you through the feebleminded crowd.

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Along the Same Vein as Zach's Insane Post

Postby Adam-Troy » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:05 pm

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Source: unca20090314.htm
Harlan, have you ever accidentally stuck an icepick in your ear? Were you close enough to the wall for the blood-spurt to make an interesting spray-pattern? If you've by some chance done it more than once, did you notice a qualitative difference between the piercing sensation of using a room-temperature icepick and the ice cream headache aftereffect you get from using one that's been chilled beforehand?

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Postby Chuck Messer » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:25 pm

Name: Chuck Messer
Source: unca20090314.htm
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and their kind are the political equivalent of the carnival geek. They "entertain" their audiences with acts of depraved debasement, the equivalent of biting the heads off chickens and rolling in their own filth. This is their bread and butter.

And if history tells us anything, it's this: They'll fail in their efforts now, but they will do it again. They'll go at it again, after the crisis is over, using the same tried and true tactics to get revenge on those who remove them from power.

If they want to see the one who toppled them from power, they simply need to look in the mirror.

The Democrats will need to keep their guard up, even after this is over, or it's Tail Gunner Joe all over again.

On a lighter note, in reference to people's favorite films, etc., I'd like to make a recommendation: MONARCH OF THE MOON. It was made by Dark Horse Indie Films and it's an affectionate take-off on the serials of the 1930's and 40's. I'd say especially the ones produced by Republic Studios, such as Commando Cody, etc. It was done as an actual six-part serial, and with real affection for these cheap but reliable saturday matinee shows.

It has The Yellow Jacket, a rocket-pack equipped hero who has the ability to communicate with Yellow Jackets, it has Thrills! Spills! Japbots! And, Yellow Jacket's arch-nemesis, the alluring and deadly Dragonfly!

One of my favorite lines comes when Yellow Jacket finally confronts the titular Monarch.

YJ: Who do you work for, Space Nazi?

MoM: I work for the resurgence of the most perfect species the world has ever known!

YJ: You work for the *Swiss*?

I don't usually buy a disk sight unseen, but I did this one and loved it.


PS, Why take seriously someone who speaks from behind a mask? What, no real names? Buck-buck-buckaw.

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