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Postby Samuel John Klein » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:52 am

While I bill myself as "Samuel John Klein", I prefer to be called just "Sam", s'okay!

I started playing around in the Pavilion and found it so stimulating I figured I'd start a login n the rest of the board just in case I was more logorrheic than just a post a day. You never can tell.

I'm a community-college trained graphic designer, trying to change careers in mid-life, and making a right bollix of the whole affair. But now I can't stop thinking of the visual arts, and too few of us think of the visual arts, and that's something that ought to change maybe I think.

I post about graphic design and pretty, shiny stuff at my blog of 5 years age, The ZehnKatzen Times http://zehnkatzen.blogspot.com, and you can visit. And say words.

I like Spam. I like model spaceships. I like paperback books. I like drawin' fings. I like writin' fings down a lot. I am sometimes a big doofus fool, but I love you all. Seriouslys.
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Postby Moderator » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:50 am

Welcome to the Forums SJK - Always glad to have a new voice amongst the din.

Looking forward to your posts.

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Postby Jan » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:04 am

Hey Sam, David (Loftus) lives in Portland too.
Interesting blog. Interesting links. Too much. Too much.

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Postby Samuel John Klein » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:30 pm

Jan wrote:Hey Sam, David (Loftus) lives in Portland too.
Interesting blog. Interesting links. Too much. Too much.


Thanks, Jan. I found David Loftus's site. Quite the renaissance fellow. I'd say that Portland grows such people, but I'm much better at starting stuff than finishing stuff. Perhaps I've yet to bloom.

Thanks for the comment on the blog.
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Postby Jan » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:53 pm

Just so we can be sure it's the right one: www.david-loftus.com (Writer-Performer)
He also has a thread right here. But you knew that.
It would take me a whole day to look at all the goodies on your site.
"too few of us think of the visual arts" - right but I do, Harlan does, Steve does...
I'm crazy about design and architecture and so on, and if I had any money, I'd go absolutely nuts.

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Postby Samuel John Klein » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:08 pm

Jan wrote:Just so we can be sure it's the right one: http://www.david-loftus.com (Writer-Performer)
He also has a thread right here. But you knew that.
It would take me a whole day to look at all the goodies on your site.
"too few of us think of the visual arts" - right but I do, Harlan does, Steve does...
I'm crazy about design and architecture and so on, and if I had any money, I'd go absolutely nuts.


Yep, I did find the right David Loftus. Amazing that there's more than one, but there you go.

Nicely designed site, I must say.

Nice also to know that this a community that gives a sh•t about the visual arts. Just hanging around this community has turned me on to art I didn't know existed (I was completely unaware of The Dillons, for example, before I started looking after the Pyramid paperback covers).

I'm crazy about drawing and typography and layout and stuff like that.
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Postby Samuel John Klein » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:09 pm

Barber wrote:Welcome to the Forums SJK - Always glad to have a new voice amongst the din.

Looking forward to your posts.

Steve B


Thanks, Steve. This forum (both this and the Pavilion) have been very warm and welcoming, more so than most similar venues. And what other online place would your favorite writer actually respond?
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Postby Douglas Harrison » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:00 pm

Welcome, Sam.

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Postby Samuel John Klein » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:37 pm

Douglas Harrison wrote:Welcome, Sam.

D.


Thanks, Douglas. Much obliged.
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Postby David Loftus » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:22 pm

Hey, Sam--

Great to see another Portlander on the board. Thanks for the compliment about my site: I came up with the basic idea, and took the photo of the books at the Lake Oswego library, and my wife -- who's more of a designer than I am -- put together the color palette and other pieces.

Haven't had a chance to look at your site(s) yet, but am looking forward to your input here, and maybe we'll meet sometime . . . when the weather cools down, of course.
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Postby Samuel John Klein » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:14 am

David Loftus wrote:Hey, Sam--

Great to see another Portlander on the board. Thanks for the compliment about my site: I came up with the basic idea, and took the photo of the books at the Lake Oswego library, and my wife -- who's more of a designer than I am -- put together the color palette and other pieces.


It's a nice site in as much as there is a little art, a little charming design, and a whole lot of simplicity. It does what you want it to do in an attractive way – not more, not less. That is solid web design.

David Loftus wrote:Haven't had a chance to look at your site(s) yet, but am looking forward to your input here, and maybe we'll meet sometime . . . when the weather cools down, of course.


I'm a much better blogger than anything else. My blog contains a lot of links to things I find nifty, of course, but I'm particularly of the "oooh, pretty!" sort. I had to prune back a lot of links recently.

Maybe we will meet sometime … would be splendid. Definitely after the wx cools off … if indeed ever it will.

Good luck.
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Postby Jan » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:14 am

I'm crazy about drawing and typography and layout and stuff like that.

Well, at least I can say I read W. McCay, Chris Ware who primarily come to mind. Taschen Verlag is right here in Cologne. :P I also like my few book cover art books. Michael Whelan's Worlds of Wonder and Infinte Worlds by Vincent Di Fate. John Clute's Illustrated SF Encyclopedia also has a lot of great covers in it.
In SPIDER, among other things, I try to show all of Harlan's book covers (I have collected some more and should update soon). An article about some of the covers and artwork, the best and worst - why they are good or bad - would be interesting, only I'm not too well equipped to do it, vocabulary-wise. The thing is that Harlan in many cases worked with the artists and provided the concepts for the covers. He hates a lot of the ones he wasn't involved in. I also think such an article would be a good thing generally. I'll force one of our more artistic people to do it eventually.

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Postby Moderator » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:50 am

Sam -
My wife is an accomplished graphic designer, specializing in music CDs and video packages. It helps supplement her music career, which ebbs and flows tremendously during the course of a year.

Some of our work together can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/l6ha4r



Very cool you're into graphic design, it's a hugely creative field and wonderfully intricate.
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Postby markabaddon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:12 pm

Sam, welcome to the madhouse
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Postby Samuel John Klein » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:39 pm

Jan wrote:Well, at least I can say I read W. McCay, Chris Ware who primarily come to mind. Taschen Verlag is right here in Cologne. :P I also like my few book cover art books. Michael Whelan's Worlds of Wonder and Infinte Worlds by Vincent Di Fate. John Clute's Illustrated SF Encyclopedia also has a lot of great covers in it.


I'm not familiar with the McCay and Ware names, but I love Taschen books and I get one when I can afford one. There's a reason they're so popular – they are the best intepreters of 20th C graphic design that I can think of. And they do it in such a beautiful way: gather apropos art together, but then just display it to the reader without any more text than is necessary, letting the art influence the reader, the way it should be.

They also have some great, whimsical books on 20th C commerical-art kitsch. I have a couple of those too, of course.

I finally got to see some DiFate art up close at the last OryCon. I've been enjoying his style – which to me is like an American version of all the fanstastical organic British SF cover and spaceship art – for a long time. But to be able to let my nose hover a fraction of a in inch above the acrylic-on-panel and actually SEE the brush strokes – that's like magic for me.

I didn't meet the man – he was also at that OryCon, and it was just as well, because I would have said "duh, love your art, duh, big fan" or something like that.

Jan wrote:In SPIDER, among other things, I try to show all of Harlan's book covers (I have collected some more and should update soon). An article about some of the covers and artwork, the best and worst - why they are good or bad - would be interesting, only I'm not too well equipped to do it, vocabulary-wise. The thing is that Harlan in many cases worked with the artists and provided the concepts for the covers. He hates a lot of the ones he wasn't involved in. I also think such an article would be a good thing generally. I'll force one of our more artistic people to do it eventually.


I really didn't know, going in, that Harlan has sympatico with the cover artists who did that work. It explains a great deal of why the covers to those books are more than just merely appropriate. I've always felt that, on my favorite Harlan books from that period (Approaching Oblivion, Partners In Wonder, Memos from Purgatory, e.g.), the cover art is not only appropriate but also actually seems to draw out some of the emotions assayed within … whatever mixture of hope and wonder, dread and hope, fear and exhilaration … and puts the sense into the cover art itself, making the whole thing – art outside, prose inside – "of a piece", as they say.

I'm almost ashamed to to say it's taken me so many years to find out who The Dillons where, or why they were important, or why their cover art just made so much sense on the front of those books.

I would add – only halfway in jest – as a graphic designer and self-made prose stylist, I am available on a freelance basis B-)
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