Ezra Lb wrote:And it's certainly better than fantasies about paradises where everybody sleeps to noon and spends the rest of their time smoking dope and watching Star Trek reruns.
And yet many neocons see the country as exactly this now. Too many people on the public dole eating bon bons and drinking champagne. My niece -- very conservative -- recently told me on Facebook that she cannot fathom my thinking process but would respect in nonetheless. My thinking process was that the vast majority of people on unemployment wanted to have jobs but the economy couldn't sustain them....and that a solid 20+ percent of the so-called 47% had retired and were living off Social Security (the numbers for which Romney included in his 47% of non-taxpayers).
No disrespect to Mormonism or Catholicism, but both encourage large families. I have to wonder how many of them take the deductions for their children, and how many end up paying little or no taxes as a result.
Chuck Messer wrote:My quarrell was not with any monetary system, but a system in which (in Colorado) employers have nearly absolute power over their employees, to the point where they can fire you for just about any reason, with no recourse. And, when I was let go by Dish Network in 2005, no unemployment benefits either, if it was deemed to be your fault that you were let go -- even though Dish Network had and still has a 200% rate of turnover for employees. Deliberately.
And there's the second fallacy. Conservatives believe employees must be at the utter mercy of the employers. Unions are bad. The only just system is one in which the business owners have a free hand to abuse employees and keep the minimum wage below the poverty line. When I reminded my niece that the social safety net had been created because of business practices of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (and the Great Depression) her response was simply "I don't see that today". My temptation to say "then open your eyes and look at the world around you" was profound, but would have been nasty for the family.
BTW - She's a bank vice president.