So, what's been bugging you?

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Moderator » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:55 am

Ezra Lb wrote:And it's certainly better than fantasies about paradises where everybody sleeps to noon and spends the rest of their time smoking dope and watching Star Trek reruns.


And yet many neocons see the country as exactly this now. Too many people on the public dole eating bon bons and drinking champagne. My niece -- very conservative -- recently told me on Facebook that she cannot fathom my thinking process but would respect in nonetheless. My thinking process was that the vast majority of people on unemployment wanted to have jobs but the economy couldn't sustain them....and that a solid 20+ percent of the so-called 47% had retired and were living off Social Security (the numbers for which Romney included in his 47% of non-taxpayers).

No disrespect to Mormonism or Catholicism, but both encourage large families. I have to wonder how many of them take the deductions for their children, and how many end up paying little or no taxes as a result.

Chuck Messer wrote:My quarrell was not with any monetary system, but a system in which (in Colorado) employers have nearly absolute power over their employees, to the point where they can fire you for just about any reason, with no recourse. And, when I was let go by Dish Network in 2005, no unemployment benefits either, if it was deemed to be your fault that you were let go -- even though Dish Network had and still has a 200% rate of turnover for employees. Deliberately.


And there's the second fallacy. Conservatives believe employees must be at the utter mercy of the employers. Unions are bad. The only just system is one in which the business owners have a free hand to abuse employees and keep the minimum wage below the poverty line. When I reminded my niece that the social safety net had been created because of business practices of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (and the Great Depression) her response was simply "I don't see that today". My temptation to say "then open your eyes and look at the world around you" was profound, but would have been nasty for the family.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:58 am

It didn't offend me that much--we actually don't have pure capitalism. We have a state capitalist system, albeit with a weak social safety net.

Sure, there are crumbs that fall on the passer-by but with socialism we all get bigger crumbs. Always a good thing in this economy.

I hate to remind Ezra but in collectives people do work.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Ben W. » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:42 pm

Barber wrote:
Ezra Lb wrote:BTW - She's a bank vice president.


That's why I think a frank discussion between your niece and I would be a lot like entering the Thunderdome. Either way, only one of us would walk out alive.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:36 pm

bitch pt3

Here are the spots being broadcast on Pakistani TV with Obama and Hillary C assuring the poor benighted citizens of Pakistan that the American govt noway nohow had anything to do with the infamous Video of Evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Ros ... =endscreen

We spent $70,000 for airtime.

Alas doesn't seem to have done any good.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 ... -film?lite

This is an official representative of one state suborning the murder of citizens of another state for... making a video.

Also I heard on NPR an interview with some bigshot Imam in Pakistan whose name I didn't catch saying that he was perfectly aware the American govt had nothing to do with the video. He said the reason they were protesting is because the American govt hasn't PUNISHED the people who did make the video.

Would someone tell our stupid leaders that the issue ISN'T who's responsible for making the fucking video.

The Issue is FREE SPEECH.
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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby diane bartels » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:14 pm

I say lets nuke the Middle East; that should quiet them down for awhile. Innocents will be killed, I hear Frank protest. What do you think is happening now, Frank, I respond.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:08 pm

Diane, that was an awful comment.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Chuck Messer » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:51 pm

You know what's been bugging me? Flies. Flies Flies Flies Flies Flies Flies Flies Flies ...

Flies!

No pun intended. Working at a landfill, I work in a fly magnet.

What IS it with the little bastards? They won't leave you alone. They have to fly right into my face, or try to re-enact the Death Star trench sequence by trying to fly right into my ear canal. They will land on my right forearm, then take off and land on my right forearm then take off...

...WHAT'S SO GODDAMN FASCINATING ABOUT MY RIGHT FUCKING FOREARM?!?

There's always one fly left. Cagy little bastard, hard to kill. Finally I hulk out and kill the little pest. And then there's one more fly. Kill it. Then there's one more fly. Do they pop in from another dimension? What is the Darwininan advantage to being the most annoying living thing on Earth?

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Steve Evil » Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:33 pm

Bloody Go Transit has changed it's ticketing system. Tickets now expire after four hours. Expiration of services drives me into a rage: if I ever meet the fat cat who dreamed this one up, I will get violent.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Lori Koonce » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:05 pm

Well, there is this person on the Pavy that keeps on bashing us Americans.

I'd love to hit him with my handy dandy verbal 2 x 4, but that would get me into trouble...

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:45 am

Yes, Mitt Romney should stop doing that.

I only go after the ruling class so I'm safe.

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Lori Koonce » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:12 am

Frank

You are the person I'm talking about dufus.

Evuery damned time you make a grand asumption, you insult me. You act as if every stereotype in the world is gospel.

But, you don't know m e, we've never been in same state, let alone the same room. Just ask Barber, my online persona is only a very small part of who I am and how I think.

What pisses me off the most is that you are so damned oblivious to what your words say aboutyou. They make you look like a major idiot who cannot hold a position, and is willingly ignorant.

But if this is the way you want to be thought of, then what can I do?

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Re: So, what's been bugging you?

Postby Ben W. » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:34 am

Research proves we're breeding a generation of assholes. No joke.

http://www.parentdish.com/2011/07/14/tv ... e-study-fi


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