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Re: Depression

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:54 am

Good news beyond the bleak, seems bi-polar people tend to be more creative.

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Re: Depression

Postby Lori Koonce » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:05 pm

Proper cite plsase Frank.

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Re: Depression

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:56 pm

It's in the Psychology Today and USA Today today.

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Re: Depression

Postby Lori Koonce » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:46 pm

That' s not a proper cite hon. That is more like saying it,s in California.

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Re: Depression

Postby FinderDoug » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:28 pm

seems bi-polar people tend to be more creative
More creative than what?

Actually, Frank, studies show that in samples of persons with certain mental illnesses, artistic occupations are often overrepresented - i.e., people in artistic occupations may be more likely to suffer from mental illness in some fashion. It's a little different than you represent.

Lori - While there have been studies indicating some kind of link between bipolar disorder and creativity, there's no actual understanding yet of what that linkage is or how it works.

While I don't recommend the specific content of Wikipedia as the end-all, be-all, especially where science and medicine are concerned, the article citations are often of use in backtracking; you may find some useful sources for more information in the end notes to the article on Creativity and Mental Illness if you want to dig out more information than Frank is able to provide.

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Re: Depression

Postby Lori Koonce » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:03 pm

Doug

Thanks for the info, but if truth be told I've done enough personal research to know he,s way out in left field.

See, being mentally ill myself, I think it's in my best and vested intrest to keep up as best I can. I was hoping to use thid ss s teachable moment. Getting Frank to learn proper citation has sorta become a pet project of mine?

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Re: Depression

Postby Chuck Messer » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:47 pm

To dream the impossible dre-e-e-eam...
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Re: Depression

Postby Moderator » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:04 pm

There s a basis for Frank's assertion. The article in question:

Some people are inherently more creative than others. Very large studies have shown that people with mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder and their close relatives are more likely to be creative than the general population, says Kay Redfield Jamison, a professor of psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, who is speaking on Damasio's panel.

"I'd be very reluctant to romanticize (mental illness)," she says, but "it has this very interesting relationship to creativity."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/09/creativity-brain-science/3457735/

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Re: Depression

Postby diane bartels » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:06 am

So that's what's wrong with me.

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Re: Depression

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:17 am

The best illustration I've read of the similarities and the differences between creativity and mental disease is the story told about James Joyce and his daughter Lucia in Richard Ellman's biography of Joyce. Lucia started having mental problems when she was quite young. She was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia and spent the last half of her life in a mental instituion. Joyce and his daughter were extremely close. As far as we know she was the only member of the family who actually read any of his books. Lucia was a talented dancer who studied with Isadora Duncan.

Joyce took her around to various doctors to see if they could help her. Finally he had her analyzed by the great German psychologist Carl Jung. Joyce was like any loving father. He couldn't face the reality that she was seriously mentally ill. He grasped at straws, hoping against hope. Joyce pointed out to Jung how closely Lucia's personality mirrored his. Her imagination, her facility with language. Jung replied to Joyce-

This is the difference. You are swimming. She is sinking.
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Re: Depression

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:55 am

You know this explanation leads to the obviousness that is Harlan.

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Re: Depression

Postby FinderDoug » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:17 pm

Really, Frank? Oh, DO break down this 'obviousness' with regards to Harlan.

Please. Dazzle me.

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Re: Depression

Postby Steve Evil » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:22 pm

Love. Will I never learn?

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Re: Depression

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:23 pm

Tell us more Steve.

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Re: Depression

Postby Steve Evil » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:10 pm

It's complicated, I don't know where to begin. . .

It just seems that even when I win, I lose.


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