THE PAVILION ANNEX

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:10 pm

Mark Tiedemann wrote:More travels: http://marktiedemann.com/wordpress/?p=1938


We stopped at the shore, walked between berms of sand, spent time in the non-place of fog and suggestion.

Nice line, Mark. I've been to that "non-place" once or twice myself. But not lately. If you accomplished nothing else you've given me a jones for a road trip

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:31 pm

Mark and Hallmark have a calling. :)

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Postby Moderator » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:37 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Being deep is not a bad thing.



It's a good thing. It means you don't tarry at the surface level and spend the time to appreciate nuance and thought. You don't jump to conclusions but rather see things as a methodical tapestry of shades of gray.

Being deep is not an ideologue's territory.
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Postby FrankChurch » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:44 am

No nuance or shades of gray when it comes to Cuba or Chavez, but pure nuance when it comes to America. You mean that? :)

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Postby Moderator » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:45 pm

FrankChurch wrote:No nuance or shades of gray when it comes to Cuba or Chavez, but pure nuance when it comes to America. You mean that? :)



Yes. I readily see both Cuba and Chavez in shades of gray. You don't, however -- seeing them as solely good. You've never asked what I see as their positives, just left me in the position of saying "no, that's not right" when it comes to your stance that neither is a dictatorship.

So, yes, exactly like that.
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Postby FrankChurch » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:28 pm

Americans cannot judge the people they bully. Goes against basic morals. Not saying you aint moral.

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Postby diane bartels » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:16 pm

Frank, with respect, I suggest to you that Americans, like all persons, can judge who ever and what ever they please. Then you can choose to disagree. Then we can all tell you why you are wrong.

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Postby FrankChurch » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:02 pm

Diane, sweets, I envy your L-Trains.

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Postby diane bartels » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:14 pm

Frank, my friend, the L trains are yours. Also the ponderous CTA buses. Your welcome

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Postby AndrewR » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:33 pm

Frank,

I happen to have a good friend whose family managed to get out of Cuba before things with Castro got really bad. Most of them anyway. His father was held as a political prisoner for several years, though he did manage to join his family in the US eventually. They would take issue with your views about Cuba in general and Castro specifically (to put it mildly).

Just so we're clear - a dictatorial autocracy with socialistic elements does not a utopia make.

One other thing. I'm still formulating a response to our earlier discussion. I really haven't had time to respond in a manner befitting the conversation, mostly 'cuz I got shit to do (full time daddy-ing takes a lot of energy). Soon though. Very soon...

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:31 pm

Andrew, are you a single father? That's really a great thing if so.

Best to take the Cuba stuff to my thread.

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Postby AndrewR » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:55 pm

Not a single father, no. But I'm one of a growing number of stay-at-home dads. My wife is an amazing partner and it's just worked out that she works outside the home while I stay home with the loin fruit (as well as do paying work via my home office). Daycare is a festering pit that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I also understand that a lot of people don't get the opportunity to make the same choice so I feel "blessed" that we've been able to do things this way.

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Re: THE PAVILION ANNEX

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:21 am

Ah, when you get a chance, watch the Bourdain episode on Cuba. Very interesting. Michael Moore also proved it wasn't the hellhole folks think it is. Compare them to Detroit. To Newark, to Gary Indiana. To Watts. Yea, beat that daddy.

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Postby Moderator » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:49 am

Frank, you're mistaking a disdain for dictatorships for a disdain of countries and peoples.

Cuba is a beautiful land with people who are among the most gracious on the planet.

They also drive 60 year old cars and live relatively harsh lives because of the policies of the dictatorship.

If Castro truly loved his people he would give them power.
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