History? Or not?

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Postby Moderator » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:38 pm

Agree with you on all accounts Doug.
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Postby Peggy » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:51 pm

Does Barney going pantless qualify as a historic event?
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Postby FinderDoug » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:00 pm

I'd say it's possible.

Oh - wait -

I'm sorry, I read that as 'hysterical'.

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Postby Douglas Harrison » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:28 pm

My most heartfelt congratulations to the U.S.A. in general and my friends in particular. And props to Barney for his prescient ardour and tireless belief.

Tonight, I love everybody.

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Postby remarck » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:32 pm

Douglas,

We drank your wine tonight. Thank you, brother.

-Keith

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Postby Douglas Harrison » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:42 pm

remarck wrote:Douglas,

We drank your wine tonight. Thank you, brother.

-Keith

I can't think of a better occasion!

Best,
D.

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Postby David Loftus » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:50 pm

Another GOD DAMN Harvard jerk in the White House!

Well, at least there'll be a puppy dog as well.

But seriously folks, McCain was terrifically gracious (as some of his supporters were not), Obama was articulate and inspiring (so what else is new?), and I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

OF COURSE it's history in the making! I don't have huge expectations of this administration -- at least I hope I don't -- but there's at least two things Obama can do without having to exert himself a bit. Just by BEING there, he'll garner a lot more international cooperation in whatever needs to be done to get this planet spinning on a more even keel, and if and when any further justices retire or croak he'll replace 'em with some decent and fair people on the U.S. Supreme Court bench.

That's quite enough for me, right there.

That and the supreme delight of having a U.S. President who knows his way around an English sentence.

And Barney, if we ever do meet F2F, I owe you at least three drinks for believing from the start and never wavering.

But, um . . . WHAT were they thinking, putting Michelle Obama in a dress that made her look fat?
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Postby FinderDoug » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:15 am

WHAT were they thinking, putting Michelle Obama in a dress that made her look fat?


It's a little known FCC rule that if Oprah is within a thousand yards of you and the camera might see her, you can't be better dressed than her, or a cloud of flies is unleashed from Stedman's open maw and attacks.

Actually, come to think of it, it might be a Chicago zoning law. Let me get back to you on that.

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Postby markabaddon » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:50 am

So does that mean Stedman is Candyman (from the Clive Barker short story)?

Who was that guy, not Stedman, that Oprah was hanging on last night during Obama's speech anyway?

McCain is not a bad guy, although he sold his soul during this race, and his concession speech showed what kind of man he truly is. I do not feel like making myself nauseous so I have not descended into the right wing blogosphere or looked at Faux News, but how are they reacting to the news?

Also, anyone care to make a wager that the Fairness Doctrine, repealed early in Clinton's first term, is re-established in the first 100 days? This would kill Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of the wingnuts
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:57 am

I am going to man Faux news, Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest. Can't wait to hear them whining.

"ohhh, the republic is doooomed. This crazy black socialist will bankrupt us allllllllllllllll--ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

It will be a fun few days.

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Barack taking Indiana, nice.

Indiana is the home of the Klan. Gotta love the irony.

The polls tended to be on target.

Nate Silver is a master. The guy almost has the exact number.

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:59 am

Rasmussen had the popular vote on target. Will take him more seriously from now on.

Voter suppression had to happen, but Palast may have explaining to do.

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Postby Barney Dannelke » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:09 am

Peg ponders - "Does Barney going pantless qualify as a historic event?"


Nah. Epic perhaps, but since I do it at least twice a day, not really historic.

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Postby Moderator » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:41 am

Frank -
Yeah, Hannity ought to be interesting, but the feasting has begun in the Republican party. This morning I listened to portions of Doug MacIntyre (KABC) and Mike Gallagher (KRLA). It was a lesson in "Republicans eating their own".

Mike Gallagher was already tearing into what he referred to as "the fake Republican traitors who sold out the party", referencing columnists and newscaster -- one assumes he means Maureen Dowd, George Will and other faux Republicans -- as people the party "needs to deal with". His theme was rebuilding the party, but clearly with the sentiment that the wayward must meet him on the far right instead of Gallagher moving even slightly to the middle.

It was the opposite on MacIntyre's show. He has been one of the critics of the GOP's move to the far right, and he openly announced he voted for Obama -- which, of course, got scathing calls from people who accused him of being a closet Liberal, a sell out, etc. This was accompanied by other comments which basically indicated the callers had no intention of working with Obama.

As long as there are hardliners in charge of the party, the moderates will be shouted down -- and until the hardliners begin listening I don't see the GOP coming together any time soon. They're down, but not out (remember when people said, in the early '90s, that the Dems were down for the count???).

Unless people like Gallagher are willing to examine why the American people voted for Obama, they will never again appeal to the center.
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Postby cynic » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:37 am

markabaddon wrote:Also, anyone care to make a wager that the Fairness Doctrine, repealed early in Clinton's first term, is re-established in the first 100 days?

obama has opposed repeal in the past
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122567220332991853.html
fair. doc. went away in '80s,along with osha's muscle,thank Reagen.

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Postby markabaddon » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:48 am

Ah but cynic, Pelosi has said that it is definitely on her agenda and I would think Reid would support it. Doubt that Obama would flex any political muscle over this, as the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine would be viewed positively by the Dem base.

Not sure if any of you have had Six Sigma training, but one of the principles is to attack low hanging fruit and to get some quick wins early in a project. Before he tackles Energy Independence or Universal Health Care, I would propose that Obama go after something easy like this, where his base could really rally around for support.

One drawback is that it could be viewed as divisive and might set a more adversarial tone for the remainder of his term
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