A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:18 pm

Barber wrote:
FrankChurch wrote:My Uncle is born again, my Aunt goes to Russia every year to convert the dirty commies--they listen to Rush, love Coulter, Savage, Malkin, the like. They are about as nice as you can get. There is just this lost connection somewhere with their ethics and their sense. They see morality in Rush that we don't see. I have given up on arguing. They think blacks have too many babies. They want the mexicans all rounded up and sent back. They want prayer and bible reading in schools. They want welfare banned. They are still as nice as rain on a puppies nose. I don't get it.


Sadly, these are exactly the people who don't see their own hypocrisy in worshipping Christ and yet standing resolutely against everything Christ would have wanted.

They stand in finger-pointing judgment of non-Christians, and yet fail in this very fundamental aspect of "Following Christ's Teaching".

It's an extraordinary tragedy.


What, you guys know my family back in Georgia? In all seriousness it breaks my heart sometimes. I've given up trying to argue with them. Someone once said, in normal circumstances good people do good things and bad people do bad things, but if you want good people to do bad things, it takes religion.
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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:01 pm

Samuel John Klein wrote:(generally addressing here) No, not me, pal. Not no more. It'll be a temperate day in Hades before any conservative gets to lecture this liberal on public behavior. Remember, it was Nixon who brought ratfucking into the political lexicon, not McGovern.



Well said, brutha.

I'm done as well. And, just to be fair, I'm now equally willing to kick the backside of "liberals" who don't do their part in straightening out OUR mouthpieces. (Though, to be honest, Randi Rhodes is probably the most antagonistic, and she'll rip into Dems as quickly as she rips into Repubs. She's also a fan of Harlan's work. What's a Moderate to do?)
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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:08 pm

A moderate is someone who has half good ideas and half bad ideas, because they think bad ideas will be accepted anyway, so might as well be on the right side. Straddling a fence is just wonderful, until somebody turns on the electric grid.

Wise up Barber..lol All in love.

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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:23 pm

A moderate is someone who refuses to burn the house down just because the wallpaper needs replacing in the bedroom. A moderate is a person who doesn't think all the people who disagree with him or her is possessed by the devil. Taking the time to consider all points of view and making a rational decision is not straddling the fence.
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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Lori Koonce » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:18 pm

Gang

Barber isn't the one having communication problems. I am.


Lets see if this makes sense. And it fits any group with a fringe element, not just the religious. There are people left, right and center on any issue, we can agree on that can we not?

And then there are a few people who for whatever reason are dead certain that they are the only ones with "the truth" about the subject at hand. They only listen to those who agree with them, and even then they can argue details.

IMO, those are the ones we need to worry about, because as far as i can tell they are usually the most vocal.

Hopefully this has cleared up my position a bit. My last response was made emotionally, never a good thing if you are trying to have a dialogue.

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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Moderator » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:20 pm

Lori -
Gotten and gotten.

There was a caller in to the Randi Rhodes Show today -- Randi is not in, and I didn't catch the name of the fill-in from San Diego -- who spent a good five minutes ripping into the host using precisely the talking points about Health Care he had been told to use. When confronted with the opposing facts, he simply repeated the point, as if that answered the question. At one point, I kid you not, he objected strenuously to the concept that his Social Security contribution was, in fact, paying for his parents' retirement. He insisted his monies had been stolen and used for other government programs, and that anyone who didn't like the current health care system (BEST IN THE WORLD!") was unAmerican. And he claimed a degree in Finance.

These, dear kids, are the opposition. Not the folks on the fence. Not the thinking and thoughtful Conservatives.

The fringe. The sheep. The people who refuse to listen to logic, fair comment, or intelligent discourse. The people who aim to protect the insurance firms' profits at any -- and I mean any -- expense. Wittingly or unwittingly. Irrational thought. Ideological rhetoric. No disagreement tolerated, no ground given. Scorched Earth.

We need. All of us. Conservative and Progressive alike.

To put them down.
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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Lori Koonce » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:02 pm

The fringe. The sheep....



Steve

I've used this word before but it bears repeating....

The SHEEPLE are the most dangerous things in any group.

And just to inform, I didn't make that word up. Marc Maron, a fine stand up comic used it to describe a certain type of caller to a Radio show used to have on air America.

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Re: A death like Mussolini's is too good for Karl Rove

Postby Barney Dannelke » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:08 pm

Awhile back I was trying to actually think of a fair way these compassionate Christian conservatives could opt out of this commie/socialist/fascist system we are rooting for. No taxes for them on this end and no benefits at all whatsoever on the back end - ever. But I couldn't bring myself to live in a system like that anymore than I would wish the orphanage I spent some time in on a new generation.
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