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Postby robochrist » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:11 pm

"Too bad as a rule these people don't appreciate irony."

...As they go on about "pro-life" but protest the effort to save lives of those of lesser advantage. They give it no further thought. They have no conscience about it.

And I'm expected to - what's the word? - TOLERATE these primates? To "RESPECTFULLY" disagree.

Not.

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Postby Ravenstar » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:29 am

robochrist wrote:"Too bad as a rule these people don't appreciate irony."
...As they go on about "pro-life" but protest the effort to save lives of those of lesser advantage. They give it no further thought. They have no conscience about it
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Just coming in tgo this topic, I tend to agree with this quote. It's either that, or they allow "those of lesser advantage" to live wretched lives homeless on the streets, and feel absolutely magnanimous (magnamous?) when they give these same homeless a dollar rather than a job.

See, that dollar they put in the homeless person's hand makes them feel like they've done their share

But these same "pro-lifers" don't care about what that homeless person does for food the next day or the day after that.. Nor do they care about what happens to the mother when she's too poor to take care of the child, and can't find a job. They don't care about that mother when the state comes in and forcibly takes that baby away from her and adopts it out to some rich bastard because the state deems the mother's "lifestyle" (which she may have had no choice in) unhealthy. I've seen this happen too many times.

God, some of those "pro-lifers" disgust me.

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Postby rich » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:55 am

My paranoia is running high:

Gas prices are running lower, and continuing to dip. How convenient 3 months from the national election.

Unemployment rates are the highest in quite some time, and I wonder how much that has to do with trying to get people to join the military? Are those unemployment rates coming down as the troops are withdrawn from Iraq?

Just wondering.

By the way, I'm not much liking CNN lately, but I do like the "candidates in their own words" segments that run. Basically they give both candidates about five minutes of uninterrupted speaking time, no commentary, nothing, just the candidates speaking. And I just now saw McCain giving us his stuff and a white 18 year-old girl stood up in that town hall style meeting with McCain and said, "I'm terrified of Obama." (direct quote)

Much clapping.

McCain's camp and their race card accusations are pitiful when their own supporters are "terrified" of a guy running for President who is not driven by idealogy or pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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Postby alexanderthesoso » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:30 am

Anthony Ravenscroft wrote:What Cinton said that still pisses me off (& is almost never cited by the Wingnuts) is:
I never had sexual relations with that woman.


fixed the quote for you.

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Re: RoboChrist writes

Postby David Loftus » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:49 am

Ravenstar wrote:But these same "pro-lifers" don't care about what that homeless person does for food the next day or the day after that.. Nor do they care about what happens to the mother when she's too poor to take care of the child, and can't find a job. They don't care about that mother when the state comes in and forcibly takes that baby away from her and adopts it out to some rich bastard because the state deems the mother's "lifestyle" (which she may have had no choice in) unhealthy. I've seen this happen too many times.



I like the way U.S. Rep. Barney Frank put it: To judge by their policies, such people seem to think life begins at conception and ends at birth.
War is, at first, the hope that one will be better off; next, the expectation that the other fellow will be worse off; then, the satisfaction that he isn't any better off; and, finally, the surprise at everyone's being worse off. - Karl Kraus

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Postby robochrist » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:14 pm

Ravenstar:

"God, some of those "pro-lifers" disgust me."

I like your face a lot so I HAVE to agree with you!

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Postby Moderator » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:04 pm

And it gets worse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

DHS has decided they can take and review the contents of your laptop, jump drive, other storage device, papers or other documents without any cause or suspicion, without your presence and without any time frame in which to return it.

My guess would be this would also include digital cameras, etc.

Again, without probably cause or suspicion.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff wrote in an opinion piece published last month in USA Today that "the most dangerous contraband is often contained in laptop computers or other electronic devices." Searches have uncovered "violent jihadist materials" as well as images of child pornography, he wrote.


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Postby robochrist » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:26 pm

I raised this subject some time ago, to the effect that the Democratic leadership is largely fudged by corporate-owned proxies who will not go on the offensive to derail the Republican bullshit tactics in the election.

McCain has some of Karl Rove's disciples.

Hence, they are using the dirty tactics that once worked for Bush: distracting dumbo voters with lies, spin, and axe-throwing (like "Obama is not patriotic. He goes to the gym instead of supporing troops"; "Obama is a Muslim"; "Obama is an angry black man who wants to get even with white people") in paid ad campaigns and mass emailings across the Net.

The Democrats - including Obamas machinery - hold that they are "prepared to respond instantly to anything the Republicans throw out there".

That isn't enough. They should launch a massive ad campaign SMEARING the Republicans outright. They don't NEED lies. They have an arsenal of facts that could destroy the Republicans. Just remind the public of the facts - POUNDING the airwaves with sound bytes - and the offensive is set. From McCain's ground-setting flip-flopping to the direct misinformation put out there about Obama, even the most igorant of the population would start to get it.

But the Dems don't do this. They don't seem to listen (like Nancy Pelosi, who seems silent when those outraged by her "impeachment is off the table, unless there's evidence that Bush broke laws" proclamation). They pale before the dirty desperate tactics used by the Republicans. As long as they stay on the defensive they hold the higher probability of losing.

THAT'S why Obama holds a slim lead over McCain, apart from the obvious bigotry out there.

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Postby FrankChurch » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:33 pm

You should see the unemployment rate among the young--much higher.

Hopefully they will put down their bongs and do the right thing. If it takes the I-ching or pop tarts, so be it.

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Postby robochrist » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:15 pm

Lately, I've been watching Bush's aired apperances with morbid interest. No matter how scathing, intense, and broad public criticism and barbs have been hurled at him and Cheney, Bush acts and speaks with even composure as if a majority were still behind him; as if it were just a looney fringe element whining about "alleged" crimes committed.

It reminds me of the images Saddam Hussein was airing in the early stages of the American invasion of Iraq; in spite of the advancing militia, he seemed to be sitting with his senior staff comfortably at the table in a bunker, smiling, smoking his seegar, and suggesting to viewers he had no need to worry. The tape was looped and, as I recall, was playing for days.

That's Bush.

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Postby Duane » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:47 pm

From the article Steve linked to:

In April, the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco upheld the government's power to conduct searches of an international traveler's laptop without suspicion of wrongdoing.


The venerable 9th Circuit?

Yep, the 9th.

Ouch.

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Postby Moderator » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:27 pm

Duane wrote:From the article Steve linked to:

In April, the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco upheld the government's power to conduct searches of an international traveler's laptop without suspicion of wrongdoing.


The venerable 9th Circuit?

Yep, the 9th.

Ouch.


Which, for those of you outside California, is a real shocker. The 9th Circuit has traditionally been a solid defender of individual rights.
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Pro-life v Pro-choice

Postby Ravenstar » Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:26 am

David and Robochrist

I agree twith the politition you quoted. (Life beginning at conception and ending at birth.) That was said quite succinctly, and quite truthfully. All the pro-lifers seem to be concerned about is that the baby is born. They don't consider the impact that the birth has on the mother.

A few months ago, I read the biography of the woman who was the "Roe" of "Roe v Wade" abortion case. As I read this biography, I was struck by how trapped women in our society were in those days by society and government. Especially poor women and women abused by the fathers of these unwanted children. "Jane Roe" was both of these. It was quite an eye-opening read.

Robochrist,

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Postby Ravenstar » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:05 am

Steve Barber wrote

"DHS has decided they can take and review the contents of your laptop, jump drive, other storage device, papers or other documents without any cause or suspicion, without your presence and without any time frame in which to return it."

In favor of the illusion of "safety", one by one, we are sacrificing our freedoms. When we lose our freedom, no one is safe.

Brick by brick this country seems to be building a wall around itself, and I have to ask one question: Is it to keep people out or to keep prisoners in? When an individual begins to act this way society (not without cause) calls him paranoid. Hmmm...

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Postby rich » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:00 am

It is not unreasonable to have your belongings searched when you enter a public facility, or get on a plane, or cross the border. We've been doing this waaaaaay before 9/11.

The problem, I think, is that with a computer, one can't "search" it in a reasonable amount of time, i.e. a quick rifling through as you pass through the metal detector.

Having said that, there DO need to be ways to address searching computers going across borders. I honestly don't know what they are at this point, but even if you're able to confiscate a laptop for legitimate reasons, then do the "terrorists" just start using flash drives? As usual, this administration is using hammers instead of actually thinking this stuff through, but I do think it does need to be addressed.


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