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Postby cynic » Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:47 pm

i stand corrected.
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Postby swp » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:02 pm

correction: southern pronoun trouble

most of y'all

(the plural of y'all is "all y'all")
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Postby Moderator » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:17 am

Heard on right-wing radio over the weekend:

"Marxist"; "Communist"; "Socialist"; "Devil"; "AntiChrist"; "Child Killer"; "Hater"; "Traitor"; "Muslim" (which is NOT an epithet, no matter how many times people try to make it one); "Terrorist"; "Wants to gas the Jews".

This is why I cannot, in good conscience, vote with these people.
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Postby robochrist » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:33 am

That's the ONLY reason???

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Postby Peggy » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:35 am

You forgot "Hitler" and "Arab-American not African American"
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Postby swp » Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:30 pm

wait a second, were they just talking about that uppity nigger or liberals in general?
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Postby Alan Coil » Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:54 pm

swp wrote:wait a second, were they just talking about that uppity nigger or liberals in general?


Nice.

Real nice.

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Postby markabaddon » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:07 pm

Barber, the only shot they have to win is to fire people up with hatred in the hopes that their base will come out in sufficient numbers to counteract the surge in young and minority voters that will vote for Obama. It is the old Nixonian strategy of dividing the nation and trying to take the larger share, what he referred to as "the silent majority". Pretty sure that tactic will not work in America today, but it has a proven track record so cannot be discounted.

What I am curious about is how the wingnuts will react when Obama appoints at least one, and probably several, Republicans to his Cabinet. This is not a supposition on my part, it is a damn near certainty. Barney and others have commented on Obama's keen interest in Lincoln and his style of government. When Obama is elected, he will have a cabinet full of people who will disagree with each other, as he feels listening to opposing viewpoints is the best way to reach a decision.

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Postby cynic » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:21 pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject:

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cynic wrote:

the well intentioned push towards sub-prime loans via fannie and freddie were a democratic attempt to realize an american dream ,and some reps attempt to regulate it were denied.



Mike, this muddies the historical record. You've got it almost exactly backwards.

The legislation that permitted the loans was approved by a Republican Congress and a Dem President. Then, in the early 00s the Republican Congress and President dropped the regulatory oversight for most practical purposes. The Republicans never made any serious attempt to regulate the loans -- and, as is demonstrable through the public record -- actually made enforcement more difficult.

Yes, I know, Rush and Company blame Clinton -- it's unfortunate that the public record doesn't agree with them. Yeah, Clinton signed the Republican-originated law in place, but it took the Bush Administration's "other cheek" to do the real regulatory damage.

(Seriously, I tried to be non-partisan to start, but the record is, indeed, the record and I for one can't stand historical re-writes.)

But again, I also blame all those ignorant consumers who signed the docs -- as well as the corporate types who approved the loans.



cynic wrote:what the heck is this stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVVzEKauzY&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi ... eform.html

is this for real,or just more potential spin we need to hack through to find the truth?

or is this what frank was talking about
"Obama better watch supporting the bailout. Republicans may have a leg to stand on with this. The house Dems really pushed this awful thing."

mike

"The Republicans never made any serious attempt to regulate the loans -- and, as is demonstrable through the public record -- actually made enforcement more difficult." :?:

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Postby Moderator » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:48 pm

Mike -
The quotes and other commands are reversed, but I think I get your drift.

You're going back three months for the history of the bailout, versus going back for the last two decades. This disaster didn't occur because of the post-election bailout, it occurred because of things which did or did not occur in a much greater span of time.

The current bailout has huge issues, and yes the current plan is heavily democratic -- but it's in response to the year-old collapse in the mortgage/banking sectors, and the decade old pattern of decreasing federal oversight of those industries.

There's a terrific article in Time that discusses the steps each of 25 different people (including the American consumer as a single person) who contributed to the meltdown.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 50,00.html
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Postby cynic » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:09 pm

Barber wrote:Mike -
The quotes and other commands are reversed, but I think I get your drift.

You're going back three months for the history of the bailout, versus going back for the last two decades. This disaster didn't occur because of the post-election bailout, it occurred because of things which did or did not occur in a much greater span of time.

The current bailout has huge issues, and yes the current plan is heavily democratic -- but it's in response to the year-old collapse in the mortgage/banking sectors, and the decade old pattern of decreasing federal oversight of those industries.

There's a terrific article in Time that discusses the steps each of 25 different people (including the American consumer as a single person) who contributed to the meltdown.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 50,00.html

i attempted to move this from digital conversion thread

i quoted my post from oct?(second "cynic wrote").2nd link is 2004 cspan coverage of a republican attempt to regulate f.mac/f.mae. over 4 YEARS ago,not 3 months.

thanks for the TIME link ,i'll read it.

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Re: Help Please

Postby cynic » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:33 pm

steve B.,
Times "25 people to blame"does indeed warrant reasearch,which i hope to continue.

i thank you again for the link.

please forgive another re-re-post(no reaction on the 1st post in october)

cynic wrote:
Peggy wrote:First - Can anyone direct me to a site that gives something approaching factual descriptions of the ACORN / Freddie Mac /Fannie Mae connections? I've tried googling and get nothing but loads of conservative sites that read more like propaganda than journalism.

this may be the connection,sorry no site,but a place to start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64
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Postby Alan Coil » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:54 pm

An alternate view of the Times article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-fid ... 68503.html


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