Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:08 pm

Hitchens did it for his own gain.

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Lori Koonce » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:24 pm

Prove it Frank.

If Chomsky had Hitchen's ability to write to the masses, he'd be making a shit load of money too ya know. We are all looking for alternatives, and the more out there the better. But, acdemic writing, no matter what the subject.

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:59 pm

Hitchens did it for his own gain.

No Frank, Hitchens "did it" to undermine the morals of little wholesome Americans so they would stop wanting to go to church and start pissing on the flag and to sink ever deeper into a pit of despair and hopelessness where they would grow up to be punks and serial killers and hate the baby jesus.

We're coming for you, Frank.

Oh we'll save you for last. The better to savor our triumph. You'll get to watch as all that is good and clean and decent in this country gets trampled underfoot. And then finally one day you'll be sitting at your kitchen table, scarfing down your Fruit Loops, and you'll hear the front door open slowly and you'll hear soft steps approaching and...

Well I've said too much already. Better OUR FATHER BELOW's justice come upon you swiftly and unexpectedly as the kine are bludgeoned in the slaughterhouse.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:34 pm

Hitchens has no problem drinking scotch and eating lobster, while Iraqi children die in droves. He is capable of evil, as is all of us. He is not immune. We at least have the Lord to keep our morality in control, he only has the black matter that I love so much.

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Tony Rabig » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:22 pm

The Iraqi children will no doubt thrive once Hitchens starts eating all his meals at McDonald's.

From Allan Sherman's "Hail to Thee, Fat Person" --
Clean the plate son. Children are starving in Europe.
So I would clean the plate -- four, five, six, seven times a day.
The children kept starving, and I got fat."

Don't know why I was reminded of that all of a sudden...

Bests,

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Steve Evil » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:10 am

To be fair, I drink plenty of Scotch myself, but never thought that to be the source of my evil. And while I'm sure Noam Chomsky leads a very aesetic life, I for one would think no less of him if I were to learn he occasionally indulged in a few of life's luxuries.

And if debates are indeed meaningless affairs, I suppose I should give up trying to make a point here, but for the fact I still think such a dismissal is more cowardice than anything - better to give talks or interviews, so one doesn't have to defend one's views from scrutiny. In a debate one's view's are challenged. In a talk, one simply states one's views. I can see why some might prefer the later to the former.

But I tire of acting as the Hitchens acolyte, so I'm going to shut up now.

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:19 pm

Like Father Brian O'Blivion, Prof Chomsky's chief mode of discourse is the monolog.

What really chaps people's asses about Hitchens is not what he says but that so many people are listening to what he says. If his book had sold 5,000 copies no one would make a fuss. So accusing him of being successful is disingenuous at best.

He helped start an argument that needs to be had. Take any position you will but don't say we shouldn't have the argument.
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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:23 pm

Some arguments are not allowed and you know that. Chomsky is a hundred yards behind in a two hundred yard race. You should admire him that he can still run as well as he does.

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:43 pm

Actually, Chomsky, among others, did debate Hitchens, in a way:

http://www.zmag.org/znet/zdebatehitch.htm

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Ezra Lb. » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:02 pm

What arguments are not allowed?
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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Steve Evil » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:39 am

And why aren't they allowed?

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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby Moderator » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:47 am

FrankChurch wrote:Some arguments are not allowed and you know that.



Not correct. All arguments are allowed. That's part of free speech. It's when they drift from logical persuasion to personal attacks that they become useless. (A lesson I wish our politicians would learn -- but they won't until we, the voters, follow the same rule.)
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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby FrankChurch » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:44 am

Leaders don't just give you free speech. Free speech has to be earned by struggle.

Jon Stewart is America's most trusted news man for a reason. Why we need Democracynow and Zmag, because the mainstream media sells us government soap, not truth. Al Jazeera it aint.

Issues rarely covered by the media:

Is America an Empire?

International law and the Iraq war.

Israel bias--my biggie.

Few stories about mountaintop renewal.

Unionizing as a good thing.

Anti-globalization as a positive.

Honest discussion about Socialism, anarchism.

Winter Soldier

Stolen Elections

Vulture Funds

Should I go on?

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just to consolidate

Postby cynic » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:11 pm

a little from "F's news" and "S vs. R"
FrankChurch wrote: As long as we agree that the tea party crowd do have a reason to be angry.
just cuz chomsky says so don't mean u gotta agree frank. :lol:
FrankChurch wrote: He (chomsky) avoids Hitchens
when?
FrankChurch wrote: because Hitch just loves to use rhetorical gamesmanship, which may be entertaining but it is not debate.
or because he doesn't care to debate on religion. certainly he can handle "rhetorical gamesmanship"!
FrankChurch wrote: Debates are irrational affairs, to be honest. Hitchens loves these things way too much.
so, chomsky dabbles in "irrational affairs"?
Noam Chomsky on Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLIL7iy ... re=related
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Re: Frank's evil Noam Chomsky corner

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:58 pm

Noam lays out why classical liberalism led to radicalism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsXBhfxv-iw

Our webderland friends are to the right of Thomas Jefferson. haha.


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