SCIENCE VS RELIGION

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby AndrewR » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:06 pm

Oh, sure. Blame me. :roll:

Just for that...

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby robochrist » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:12 pm

B-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R!!! Another terrifying picture from MONSTER CHILLER HORROR THEATER!!!!

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Chuck Messer » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:52 pm

Actually, I find the Stag Beetle/Dragonfly creature quite elegant.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:26 am

Dragonflies, I do like them.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:27 am

Good stuff about Project Bluebook by Sagan. They really did stoke the whole UFO hysteria. Sorry, folks, there are no aliens, but there are military balloons.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Moderator » Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:07 pm

Um.

Thread drift.
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby robochrist » Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:15 pm

A BIT, yes!

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Steve Evil » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:19 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Good stuff about Project Bluebook by Sagan. They really did stoke the whole UFO hysteria. Sorry, folks, there are no aliens, but there are military balloons.


My favourite conspiracy theory ever is the one about the CIA purposely spreading UFO rumours in order to distract from their weather balloon experiments. . .

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:25 pm

Drift? Or plucky comic relief?


Creationist Ken Ham weighs in on the question of extraterrestrial life.

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... -20-years/

I’m shocked at the countless hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent over the years in the desperate and fruitless search for extraterrestrial life. Even Bill Nye “the Science Guy,” in our recent debate, happily gloated about tax dollars being spent toward this effort. And now, secular scientists are at it again.

Of course, secularists are desperate to find life in outer space, as they believe that would provide evidence that life can evolve in different locations and given the supposed right conditions! The search for extraterrestrial life is really driven by man’s rebellion against God in a desperate attempt to supposedly prove evolution!


Here's the "alien life" page on the Creationist site Answers in Genesis.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/alien-life/

Hoo boy. It's easy to dismiss these folks (and make fun of them) but the possibility of alien life does pose a thorny theological problem for christianity which privileges the earth and the relationship between humans and god. Thoughtful believers and non-believers alike have considered this question. C S Lewis wrote an essay about the subject and speculated that the aliens may have had their own version of Jesus or had no need of salvation having never fallen in the first place. The second novel of his space trilogy, Perelandra, deals with a second temptation to fall on Venus. The great SF writer James Blish wrote A Case of Conscience which takes the spiritual state of aliens as it's subject. SF writer Michael Bishop has aliens come to the earth and convert to christianity! I'm sure there are others.

Clearly one of the first questions we will want to ask the aliens is if they have some sort of cultural conception at all similar to our religions. If they say we did back in the dark ages but we gave it up when we discovered science, then the church will have some thinking to do. If they say they do and try to convert us then we'll have all have to do some quick thinking. It would be interesting to see what would happen. I'm sure a goodly portion of our population would consider aliens to be either divinely inspired or as a source of cosmic wisdom and be more than willing to "convert".
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby robochrist » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:47 pm

I would call it the "scientific religion of plucky comedy relief"

Now it's all tied-up in a relevant bundle!

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:37 am

Sagan said that science is spiritual. You would never have Sam Harris say that.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Lori Koonce » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:43 am

FrankChurch wrote:Sagan said that science is spiritual. You would never have Sam Harris say that.


So now to be considered valid, we all have to speak the way you expect us to Frank?

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Robert Nason » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:55 am

I think that Sagan meant science, to people like him and Einstein, fills you with a sense of awe at the beauty and complexity of the universe. It has nothing to do with the human spirit as a separate entity from the body which lives on forever as a conscious being after the body has died.
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:58 am

Now, you are getting it Lori. :) No, you can think the way you want to think. Anarchist 101.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:57 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Sagan said that science is spiritual. You would never have Sam Harris say that.


http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Spiritu ... +waking+up

Sam's next book, due out a month from now.
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