SCIENCE VS RELIGION

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:28 pm

They may have found part of the cross. Jesus had no comment.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:47 am

FrankChurch wrote:They may have found part of the cross. Jesus had no comment.



What? Helen left some behind? Sloppy.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:46 am

Do you suppose the cross was made of the same kind of wood as Noah's Ark?
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:46 am

Huffingtonpost is usually pretty above board.

I'd like to learn more. It could actually be the cross. Obviously crucifixion was a common practice against political agitators, which Christ was.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:53 am

FrankChurch wrote:Huffingtonpost is usually pretty above board.

I'd like to learn more. It could actually be the cross. Obviously crucifixion was a common practice against political agitators, which Christ was.


They also tended to reuse them. Often. How the hell could anyone tell? (That's one of the reasons it has been called The Invention of the True Cross with regards to the story about Constantine's mother.)

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:05 pm

It wouldn't shake my faith if it wasn't the cross. Not that a piece of wood means anything. The actual spirit is the thang.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby zackm » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:36 pm

I remember when I was a little kid and we watched a documentary about some guys who found Noah's Ark on top of some mountain in Turkey. I was so excited. Bible stuff in the real world! It made me feel connected, like I was actually living in the same world that Adam and Moses and Daniel and Jesus had lived in. It's an amazing feeling to have something you believe in so strongly be "confirmed" like that.

But that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:27 pm

There's evidence Jesus existed, very little that Noah did. There certainly was no world wide flood.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Ezra Lb. » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:30 pm

FrankChurch wrote:There's evidence Jesus existed, very little that Noah did.


And none whatsoever that god does.



zackm wrote:I remember when I was a little kid and we watched a documentary about some guys who found Noah's Ark on top of some mountain in Turkey. I was so excited. Bible stuff in the real world! It made me feel connected, like I was actually living in the same world that Adam and Moses and Daniel and Jesus had lived in. It's an amazing feeling to have something you believe in so strongly be "confirmed" like that.

But that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.


I used to live in that far away galaxy. And there are still times as an adult when faced with life's harsher realities that I long for that innocence, that simplicity. But everywhere I see the cost of fending off those realities by cloaking oneself in comforting fantasies and the price is simply too high. It would force me to give up the only thing I have of any value.
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:01 pm

Dawkin's way need some advice on sexism:

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... reats.html

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Kudos to Paul Kurtz who does say Religion does good things for society. Not all atheists are for mocking.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:02 pm

Dawkins is a sexist, therefore god exists.

Religion does good things for society, therefore god exists.


Nah.

Try again Frank.
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:50 am

The Reza Azlon book is number one. Americans do love my saviour.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby Ezra Lb. » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:52 pm

An excellent essay by Psychologist Steven Pinker in the New Republic responding to Leftist and Liberal Arts criticisms of science.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1141 ... umanities#
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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:35 am

Afraid to read it. Afraid I may crack a rib.

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Re: SCIENCE VS RELIGION

Postby FrankChurch » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:36 am

Matters what he means by science. The science of I-Pads is dumb science, the science to find a cancer cure is good.


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