FrankChurch wrote:Mark, you are right, we didn't install any government, but we created a power vacuum where the Taliban could creep in. We did fund the Mujahadeen that later became Al Qaida, that I do know, and so do you.
That's still a few steps away from laying it all on our doorstep. BTW, I agree that it was bad thing to do to just drop them, but we have a habit of doing that.
As to what I know, well, the Mujahadeen was never a monolith, and Al-Quida was the brainchild of Osama bin-Ladin, and he drew his membership from many nations. There were a number of Mujahadeen warlords who wanted nothing to do with bin Ladin. History is always more complex than a soundbite.
I'll tell you what 9/11 is the direct result of: the arrogance of W's administration. During the hand-over, Clinton's people tried to explain the problem this Al-Quida was going to be and that they had to look out for bin Ladin, and they were summarily brushed aside and their information dismissed. W's people had the worst case of "not invented here" of any administration before them. All the pieces were there for them to follow up on and stop that catastrophe, which has been one of the most thorough clusterfucks in history.
You credit Chomsky for "living in the real world." Well, bin Ladin's problem was that he did not live in the real world. He was a megalomaniac who problem knew what kind of a shitstorm he was about to bring down on his own people and he didn't care. None of the very real problems he claimed to be speaking to were addressed by his actions, only made worse. He was a like kid with building blocks that he thought it was cool to knock down. Even his own family thought he was a bit detached from reality and gave him money to stay away.
In this whole mess, the major troublespot all along has been Pakistan. The Taliban was their creation, which they lost control of, and they'd been exporting nastiness for decades because they have a jones for India. If there was a country we should have done something to, it's Pakistan.
But we didn't. Because that might cause more shit than it would fix. So just like the Cold War, we find ourselves stuck with all these ugly little proxy wars, only there's no one around like Eisenhower or Truman anymore who understands how to manage them, so they just turn into little puddles on incommensurable chaos. We really would be better off staying out of it all, I agree completely, but withdrawing would raise such a clamor of protest from so many parts of the world...damned if we do and damned if we don't. Now Romney's making sturm und drang statements about military intervention in Syria and how Obama's a weak president because he won't do anything and once more we see the build-up and if the storm breaks and we go in, within a year whoever is in the White House will be answering an angry public outcry about dead soldiers. If the country elects Romney and he does that, then the only people to blame are We The People who voted the idiot in.
You know, Bush told us what he intended to do. Then he did it and people were horrified. How could he betray us? He didn't. We betrayed ourselves by not paying attention.
Sorry for the ramble. I'm going to write more fiction now. It, at least, makes sense.