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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:48 pm

I am shocked I didn't know about this but the Norway Killer Breivik was a supporter of Israel. He wrote it in his manifesto. He liked how they treat the mongrel muslims.

A nazi-Israel supporter?? Iconoclism sometimes goes too far.

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Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:22 pm

FrankChurch wrote:That explains Prince Charles.


I think that has more to do with royal inbreeding than it does with a British love of monsters. (I hope none of our British friends will take that the wrong way. I meant it in the best possible sense.)
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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:47 am

Hell, I wish I was in a pub right now.

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Tom Frank has an article in Harpers about how fake diplomas are the big thing. Because college is so expensive or because of laziness, people are just buying degrees online. Another case for free education.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Mark Tiedemann » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:20 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Hell, I wish I was in a pub right now.

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Tom Frank has an article in Harpers about how fake diplomas are the big thing. Because college is so expensive or because of laziness, people are just buying degrees online. Another case for free education.


Degrees are like drivers licenses. You wanna drive in the fast lane, you gotta have one. But it doesn't mean you know how to drive.

Fake diplomas have become big because so many people can't even get an interview unless they can show they have a B.A., a B.S., M.A, etc etc. Degrees have associated price tags, did you know that? If you have a masters degree and apply for a job requiring a bachelors, odds are you can't get the job because they can't pay you enough. Even if you'll take less because, like, you need the job? So there have been instances now of people lying that they don't have the degrees they have. It's insane.

But in the end, a lot of people are looking at this and saying "Hell, all they want is the piece of paper, they don't care if you can actually do the job. Why spend all that money on actually attending college?" Money, I might add, a lot of people don't have.

I was the president of a state-wide nonprofit for 5 years. Got to stand on the podium with the governor and give a speech. Brokered grants, fundraised, reorganized the organization and put it on a sound footing (well, sounder footing) and organized events, etc etc etc. Only four people on the board ever knew I only have a high school diploma. I was asked often where I taught. Being able to say I write saved a lot of explaining.

I'm not saying degrees are worthless, but they aren't worth what they're supposed to be good for. I was a lab manager for years, hired a number of people, and I got the worst performance out of the newly-minted college graduates. Had to teach them all over and they resented it, but they couldn't do the work.

I'd like to see the whole system die an ignominious death. Apprenticeships and trade schools.

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Postby FrankChurch » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:13 pm

So-called media objectivity gets hammered:

http://www.fair.org/blog/#post-21678

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Postby FrankChurch » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:29 pm

The wonderful Edward S. Herman takes down Steven Pinker:

http://www.zcommunications.org/reality- ... peterson-1

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Postby Steve Evil » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:28 pm

A wretched piece, full of clunkers like this:

"neither the Soviet Union nor China displayed any “expansionist program” after World War II".


His ignorance of history is astouning, he doesn't even try to summarize Pinker's thesis, he doesn't cite any of Pinker's figures, he puts words in Pinker's mouth, imposes all sorts of imaginaryh biases on inocent words, his hatred of the US is visceral. . . did he even try to understand the book? Is this really the best the left can do?

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Postby DanielBarron » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:13 pm

Steve Evil writes "His ignorance of history is astouning, he doesn't even try to summarize Pinker's thesis, he doesn't cite any of Pinker's figures, he puts words in Pinker's mouth, imposes all sorts of imaginaryh biases on inocent words, his hatred of the US is visceral. . . did he even try to understand the book? Is this really the best the left can do?"

Absolutely. Not just wretched by filled with fabricated, out-of-context and fake claims and quotes that were debunked ages ago. Pure inane drivel.

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Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:16 pm

As someone who has many ideas that can be considered "leftist" in the standard political template I do find the overwhelming irrationality of much of the "Left" to be discouraging to say the least. But wisdom lies in ditching the entire left-center-right template altogether. What is left (pardon the pun) is not left-right but rational-irrational.

This article reminds me of nothing so much as the response by some on the "Left" to the publication of E O Wilson's SOCIOBIOLOGY and Prof Dawkins' THE SELFISH GENE. Wilson was considered a fascist and at one point even physically attacked because he pointed out that much of human behaviour is formed by evolutionary pressures. Dawkins was accused of providing the rationale for Thatcherism in Britain because of his concept of the "selfish gene". All by morons who were apparently too stupid to actually read the books and think about what they were reading. Now both Wilson's and Dawkins' ideas are fundamental science. Human behaviour IS formed by evolutionary pressures and Dawkins' idea of the selfish gene was a fundamental conceptual breakthrough (which is why he's famous not because of his atheism).

Fuck left-right. The war is against irrationality. I start with my own and then work my way outwards. The work of a lifetime!
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Postby Steve Evil » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:54 am

I'm sure there are flaws in Pinker's thesis. But just stating the obvious does not a counter-argument make. Does Herman really think Pinker is ignorant of all those counter-examples? If he is, then he is a hack indeed. And yet, I am hard pressed to beleive that a scientist of his stature would make so bold a claim without taking them into account. If there are still holes in his argument, it is Herman's task to point them out. The whole tone of his article indicates that he's not in the least bit interested in what Pinker's argument is; only that he's a cold war stooge for daring to make it.

The first response to any counter-intuitive claim ought to be "how do you figure?" Not to cover one's ears and shout "you're such an idiot!"

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:43 pm

Edward Herman is a top scholar. He called Pinker out, a person very well loved by elites.

He is right, the Soviet Union did have short tentacles, unlike the US, which supported every evil dictatorship on God's green earth.

They even let most Eastern European states govern themselves.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:44 pm

I haven't really read much of the Pinker book. I will check it out today. Show what I found tomorrow. I know you cannot wait.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby FrankChurch » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:45 pm

I never thought my Steve Evil would sell me out. Wah.

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Postby Mark Tiedemann » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:02 pm

FrankChurch wrote:
He is right, the Soviet Union did have short tentacles, unlike the US, which supported every evil dictatorship on God's green earth.

They even let most Eastern European states govern themselves.



As long as they did so in accordance with Politburo approval. Are you forgetting Hungary and Checkoslovakia?

And they supported their share of evil dictators. Hell, the Russians are still standing up for that monster Assad.

It's not all US, Frank. The Soviets never were pure or cuddly.

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Re: Frank Church's news corner, the sequel.

Postby Steve Evil » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:12 pm

FrankChurch wrote: They even let most Eastern European states govern themselves.


That is really not true Frank. That's not even close to being true. Do you mean to say that the Soviet invasion of the GDR in 1953, the imprisonment of Polish leader Władysław Gomułka in 1954, the invastion of Hungary 1956 (20 000 dead) and the execution of Prime Minister Imre Nagy in 1958, the deposition of Czech leader Alexander Dubček in 1968 were exceptions to the (sovereign) rule? Were you even aware of these events? Was Herman ( I doubt it)? Do either of you care?

Have you ever read much Orwell, Frank? I don't mean that novel he spat out on his death bed, I mean the meat and potatoes of his life's work, his essays and articles? Homage to Catalonia? Politics and the English Language? The Lion and the Unicorn? Towards the end of his life almost all his criticisms against the political Left, and yet insisted 'til his dying day that he never renounced his socialism. It was true: it was obvious to any objective reader what his convictions were, how much he cared about poverty and injustice and how much he wanted a better world. But he couldn't stand lying to himself, couldn't pretend not to see what he saw. He saw his own side aiding and abetting Stalin and failing to stand up to Hitler. It made him many enemies and in Spain it nearly cost him his life. But he was on the right side of history.

Point being? It's not me who's sold you out Frank.


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