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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:10 pm

Chomsky is mainstream everywhere else, so I'd say it's about time.

Since, according to public opinion studies, the public is to the left of the Democratic party, then that mainstream comment is true.

Eric, Chomsky has much more of a sense of humor then you do. You have never given me a chuckle, let alone a spot of pee in my jeans.

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:13 pm

I find it odd that you cannot escape seeing Ann Coulter or Pat Buchanon on television, but Chomsky is the crazy one. Buchanon is to the right, as Ramsey Clark is to the left. I doubt Ramsey Clark would be able to be on Hardball every day.

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Postby Moderator » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:36 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Since, according to public opinion studies, the public is to the left of the Democratic party, then that mainstream comment is true.


Frank, this would give me no end of pleasure, but elections to the contrary, please document this.

WHAT public opinion studies???
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:32 pm

The PIPA studies, by the University Of Maryland, which is the leading public opinion research arm in my view. Chomsky, Al Franken and others use this for research.

http://www.policyattitudes.org/

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 7&lb=brusc

Americans are with the far left on this one. Even 60 percent of Republicans believe our military should not be used to promote democracy. Tell that to the crud heaped Joe Leiberman.

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:36 pm

Yikes, I read the study that said the majority of Americans would cut the defense budget by over a hundred billion? No Democrat would ever touch the defense budget that much. Plus, the public thinks we should work more in league with the UN, a complete rebuke of Bush and his crew.

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Postby Moderator » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:44 am

FrankChurch wrote:The PIPA studies, by the University Of Maryland, which is the leading public opinion research arm in my view. Chomsky, Al Franken and others use this for research.

http://www.policyattitudes.org/

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 7&lb=brusc

Americans are with the far left on this one. Even 60 percent of Republicans believe our military should not be used to promote democracy. Tell that to the crud heaped Joe Leiberman.



Okay, this makes more sense. On this issue, they're more left than right. I think you'll find that overall it's split nearly evenly with a small majority to the left of center. Unfortunately, it's that same group that's less likely to vote and/or more likely to vote for a different party (Greens, Socialist, etc). Hence our current run in the White House.
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Postby FrankChurch » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:01 pm

Barber, that's what organizing is about. Somebody with some sense has to organize the flacid, who sit on the couch and don't vote.

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Postby rich » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:47 am

I thought it was the people who are selling the Clone a Willy that are supposed to organize the 'flacid'?

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Postby Moderator » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:44 am

rich wrote:I thought it was the people who are selling the Clone a Willy that are supposed to organize the 'flacid'?



Actually, that's accentuate the flaccid. 'Organizing' it is ... well, let's just say the punchline is sitting there, patiently awaiting the obvious.

I agree Frank -- it's that call to arms and a galvanizing central figure that needs to emerge. Fortunately, enough people are getting visibly angry (as opposed to unhappy) that there may be somethin' a'brewin'.

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Postby FrankChurch » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:44 pm

The real cost of our costly little war.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle ... emID=10093

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Postby FrankChurch » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:06 am

You all want a good laugh--a scared laugh, to be sure. Carman, who is a famous Christian musician, at least in their circles, has this song that is the centerpiece to why the religious right is truly a danger to our country.

http://msxml.excite.com/info.xcite/sear ... /-/417/top

Click on song 6, and listen to the thing. Will make your hair fall out. This will be in Brian's top ten. hehe.

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Postby Ezra Lb. » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:20 am

rich quoted and asked

Ezra Lb. wrote:
In my prior post I said race did not exist, I did NOT say prejudice and bigotry did not exist.


Then how does prejudice and bigotry exist if there is no "race"?



The same way religion exists when there is no god.


At the risk of sounding cynical, please remember that all these Americans suddenly discovering that the War in Iraq is not going so well are the same people who were shouting down any criticism of our beloved President just a couple of years ago. And god knows who they'll elect next time.
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Postby rich » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:01 pm

Ezra Lb. wrote:rich quoted and asked

Ezra Lb. wrote:
In my prior post I said race did not exist, I did NOT say prejudice and bigotry did not exist.


Then how does prejudice and bigotry exist if there is no "race"?



The same way religion exists when there is no god.


This is getting silly, but there's no stopping me now.

Ok, the Kung Fu-like nonsense aside, what are you trying to say, Ezra? I mean, religion exists because people have faith. The fact that there is or is not a God is almost beside the point.

Are you saying that prejudice and bigotry sprang forth from Zeus' head? With no correlation between a person's skin color, and the attitude that skin color produces in some individuals?

What, exactly, are you trying to say? Please, I'm begging you. You're starting to sound like Frank and it's killing me.

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Postby FrankChurch » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:21 pm

Whites are the minority of the world, that fact makes them paranoid, and they have tried to keep power ever since, because they worry that the darker races would have them all killed if they gave them any equal shot. Simple and direct.

Venti logic, hot and steamy.

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Postby KristinRuhle » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:51 pm

Most of the bigotry in the world is NOT "whites versus blacks" (which is largely an American thing...) the most vicious hatred is among ethnic groups who superficially RESEMBLE each other. Hutus and Tutsis, or Serbs and Croats, or different religions in the mideast or N Ireland... The people killing each other the most are those an outsider would mistake for each other!

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