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Postby DVG » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:35 am

Nothing is wrong with being an entertaining popular writer. Lovecraft was certainly not popular during his own lifetime, and is still more a "writer's writer" I suspect, than, say Stephen King or Dean R. Koontz.

Dipping into satire of his most verbose effects is no different from the various satires of Hemmingway, Pinter or Carver I've seen that stress the opposite tack. Lovecraft's best work is comparatively understated.

The only other fantasy writer so consistantly misrepresented is Tolkien, who is also seen as verbose to the point of obscurity when in fact his characters speak plain if occasionally rather formal English.

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:02 pm

Fascism is the melding of corporate power and government power and that is what we have. Corporations have structures much like fascist planning--top, down, skeletonized and insane.

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Postby Moderator » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:23 pm

Frank,

Either you're posting in the wrong thread, or have started putting up non-sequitors at random...

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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:58 pm

Huh?

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Postby Moderator » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:03 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Fascism is the melding of corporate power and government power and that is what we have. Corporations have structures much like fascist planning--top, down, skeletonized and insane.


This was kind of out of the blue given the topic of Koonts and King, etc.

It's your thread, but caught me offguard...
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Postby markabaddon » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:15 pm

Frank, you may have already seen this, but Chavez talked extensively about Chomsky during his speech to the UN today and even held up a copy of one of Chomsky's books as he spoke.

Cannot wait to see what my buddy from Venezuela (who absolutely despises Chavez) has to say about this
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:50 pm

Mark, it is never about liking the supreme leader, just that that leader does the right thing for his people. So far, Chavez is doing that, or at least according to reports by Greg Palast, among others.

By the way, Palast is being charged by the office of Homeland Security for using classified information in one of his reports. You knew they would find a way to go after my buddy Palast sooner or later. Bush the goon parties on; burning the constitution, one shred at a time.

Barber, notice, Ezra mentioned Fascism.

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Postby Moderator » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:00 pm

FrankChurch wrote:Barber, notice, Ezra mentioned Fascism.



Okay. I just need more caffeine (and fewer distractions).
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:19 pm

Fun look at why Marijuana is illegal; done by my buddy, Jello Biafra.

http://msxml.excite.com/info.xcite/sear ... /-/417/top

click 5

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Postby Ezra Lb. » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:51 pm

Mr Barber just to set the record straight and because I think my point is a valid one let's recapitulate, shall we?

Frank

Gallup is a hack poll, best to not look too deeply into that crystal ball. But, if it is true, it tells us that Americans may actually want actual fascism, as compared to the watered down fascism of Reagan.

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Also, one of my pet peeves is the use of the word FASCISM as a term of opprobrium for political thought one finds repugnant. We can use words like a surgeon performing micro-surgery, or we can use them like a chimpanzee with a MAC 10. Frank, since I can tell by your posts that you want to use words effectively and precisely and always seek to educate yourself, allow me to recommend

http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Fascism-V ... F8&s=books

No way no how do we have fascism in this country. We have a lot of people using words they don't understand however.
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Postby FrankChurch » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:56 pm

Ok, we have aspects of fascism. Feel better? heeh.

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Postby Steve Evil » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:32 pm

My buddies at Socialist Woker have emphatically stated that America is not a fascist state, and have argued with many folks over the proper use of the term. Fascism refers to a specific historical phenomina, and is not merely an all encompassing insult.

Fascims will come to America when Ann Coulter takes over.

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Postby Ezra Lb. » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:28 am

Annie, She-Wolf of the SS?
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Postby markabaddon » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:27 am

Frank, I had read on Palast's website that he was being investigated by Homeland Security and no, it does not surprise me. I also expect he will have a full audit of his taxes this year, simply by coincidence.

As far as Chavez, I am still unsure what to make of him. I am aware that Palast has heaped praise on him, as have a number of other foreign journalists. The reality presented by my buddy, however, paints a far different picture of Venezuela. (Please keep in mind when hearing my friend's perspective that his family is wealthy and that ain't the demographics from which Chavez draws his support)

My buddy has described Chavez to me as essentially a Communist in the mold of the Soviet style. Chavez, according to him, has taken a great deal of private property from individuals and nationalized them without compensating the previous owners.

Any significant opposition to him has been put down by violent means, including incidents of soldiers shooting into a crowd that was protesting his policies. Chavez has also engaged in voter fraud by having his supporters intimidate voters at polling booths.

The positives that I have seen from him are that he has made a tremendous effort to ensure that money derived from Venezuelan resources (oil, minerals, etc.) stays in the country and is not lost to multinational corporations and that he has made great strides in funding both educational opportunities and access to medical care for the poor.

I still have not made up my mind completely on Chavez. I recognize the good he has done, but his extremely close ties to Cuba and his embracing of a Soviet style of communism make me uneasy. Regardless, he is certainly one of the most fascinating figures in international politics today, one I definitely enjoy watching.

Frank, is it correct to assume that Chavez has your unconditional support?
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Postby FrankChurch » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:00 pm

Chavez calls Bush the Devil, that's enough for me.


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