robochrist wrote:In the river of posts I've laid out here, I've covered every one of these questions. From Ceronomus' issue with human nature to the practical benefits in the resources of space.
I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced you have. Tremendous new technologies HERE and boundless natural resources OUT THERE do not necessarily add up to human survival in transit or at the destination, wherever that may be.
robochrist wrote:David, you APPEAR to be saying that we need to resolve our problems here on Earth FIRST, before moving forward in space.
No, not necessarily. What I'm saying is closer to: Whatever method we develop for traveling out into space, and whatever wonderful raw resources there may be out there, won't count for diddly toward the survival of the species if the human population strangles and kills itself back here at home base. Ships in transit and bases on other heavenly bodies will require immense start-up investment, and I would imagine considerable ongoing management, further infusions of know-how and technology, and investment for a good long time before anyone will survive autonomously "out there." Meanwhile the species will run out of time back home.
And frankly, many of these problems -- poverty and malnutrition which contribute to unrest and outright violence, global warming which will create even more of the above, mounting toxic and nuclear waste, and to a lesser extent the new diseases -- have no percentage in them for private investors. Nobody's going to make any money solving them (other than creating ever more isolated individual strongholds), so nobody's likely to step up to the plate until forced to by government and/or catastrophic circumstances. And it may already be too late.
robochrist wrote:But what I've been describing here is a timeline in which ALL these questions COUNT. I haven't excluded any of YOUR issues. I'm merely arguing that, rather than suggesting we should "wait" and deal with problems here first, pushing forward in space technology, research, and manned exploration will be PART of the solution. Cost will obviously dictate the extent we go at that particular time.
And I'm arguing that from my perspective, all your wonderful solutions and the massive raw resources out there for the taking, are going to take a lot more investment and time to develop than I believe we have, for the species to survive.
Nowhere did I say we should "wait" in space travel. I simply said the odds look to me as if it will not provide any solution -- either to our problems on Earth or as an escape in itself; and the situation may be hopeless, from every angle -- political, technological, chronological, and in terms of human emotional capabilities.
robochrist wrote:I don't know why some of you are having a problem following that. Is there a case of tunnel vision going around?
Perhaps. Though it may ultimately be more productive to look at one's own than to complain about everyone else's.